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Posted: 16 July 2013 08:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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chrisbis - 16 July 2013 07:16 PM

@scepticus

I respect that your are trying to disseminate these numbers/figures and reverse engineer the progression, and make it fit into a box.
I would to, trying to rationalize it all!

Its nothing like that.
I have just finished real money account trial run.
Here are the numbers, (these are from a fresh game, at ******* Casino (Its a UK named casino)

6 (First number out, via 1 unit on Red + 1 unit on Black)

4

18

19

13

23

21

7

33

19

0

16

31

19

6

33

26

34
These numbers I was sending to our friend, at a rapid rate, and at this point, he directs me to slow down, and I know we are close to
a Betting Point.
Next number:-

26

16

30

33

25

7

25

19

27

0

8

26*  (Bank Roll= 9.70)
    Bet made:- 1 unit placed on #23
              + 1 unit placed on #26
33   (Bank Roll= 9.50)
    Bet made:- 1 unit placed on #23
              + 1 unit placed on #26
              + 1 unit placed on #33
23 Win!
      (Bank Roll= 12.80)
    Bet made:- 1 unit placed on #13
              + 1 unit placed on #23
              + 1 unit placed on #26
              + 1 unit placed on #33
13 Win!
      (Bank Roll= 16.00)
End of session   (BR + 6.00)

Now you tell me how he did that on an RNG casino, with just a few numbers tracked first!

Hi Chris
I am interested in anyone’s ideas.That’s how we learn.To be honest I don’t understand some of the things you say.I am certainly not trying to knock it-just trying to get an understanding..
e.g You bet both red and black on 6 ?
Smiled at your friend telling you to slow down.lol
So does he give you the numbers one at a time and after you tell him the previous number ?
Right now I don’t know how he chooses his numbers.That is what I am trying to suss. I.m intrigued - not hostile.
Thanks

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Posted: 16 July 2013 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Hi Chris
Just checked your numbers and found that using my nine block I would have made 31 bets of 16 numbers and would won 17 of them for profit of 116 chips making a ROI of 23.3%.
I have juggled the figures in the block from A to Z and the 16 number idea was one of my earlier attempts because the 20 numbers mean betting odds-on which I avoid like the plague- as well as progressions and regressions !
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Posted: 17 July 2013 02:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Hi

One thing I noticed looking at those numbers is that the 3’s all appeared except for the number 3.
13,23,33 all came out.
None of the other finales appeared with as much frequency except the 6’s with 6,16,26.
So it was interesting that the bets were on some of the 3’s and 6’s leaving out the 3 and 36 which never appeared.
The finales which did appear.
0,30
21,31
13,23,33
4,34
25
6,16,26
7,27
8,18
19
But I am just using guesswork. Could be nothing to do with finales.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 04:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Most criticasters use a lot of words. Challance them for a demonstration on internet ,they are not at home.
I doubt the RNG roulette on internet. I give alays my demonstrations in the fun mode. In theory it does not matter.
A strategy is not based on mathimatical rules. It is impossible to prove it with math. That is the reason, you can hardly convince mathimaticans.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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@ Scepticus (I’m getting to now Ur handle name now, without looking for it, to spell it right!)

Lets see if I can put to bed what happened.

I open a casino account, (on my laptop, in my name, wearing my own pants!! lol)
My American friend (Zorro), is on the other end of a Skype text connection.
I get free spins (I don’t know whether to just click “Spin”,to get numbers, or, is it just as good,
as placing a bet on Red&Black;, that could, and eventually did lose, if I hit/land, on 0 “Zero”, as I did twice whist tracking.),
but either way, I get spins.
I send the number(s) to Zorro.
One at a time…....
Just like I posted…..
Then, as I said, he asks me to slow down, as there is no commentary between us to this point,
to save time, and space!
I continue sending Spin numbers, and add that he send me an “n” to indicate “next”, so I get another
free spin number. (So, no major bet yet placed, just my Red/Black bet)

We continue with Spins, and “n” indicators.
If I don’t get an “n” back, I don’t spin….
Then we get to the betting point, and he sends me the bet number(s) + amount on each.
then “n” to spin,
I gave a suggestion, that we had “r” for repeat last bet….as we continue.
The rest as they say in the corporate conversational world,......is History!

Here’s a screen shot of his Skype chat.
I have redacted his real name, for data protection.

Hope that helps.. grin

@roulettelover25

Completely agree about the finales…...in fact, I nearly added a bet on #3, cause it seemed so obvious to me!
Also the hot #6, to complete the “6” finales, which again flagged up instantly.
It prob has something to do with a relationship between repeaters, and finales in some part,
but that cannot be the whole CheckSum of it!

I am still amazed at it….....but need further convince-meat! (Or is it Mince-meat!) lol

I would love someone, who has a few £$E in Playtech Casino, to give this a go, or allow me to test it further.
And this is not a cue to accuse me of a scam merchant seeking player either.
I have Zero balance in my William Hill Casino account….and a little short of cash having just moved home!

Tests can also be done, he tells me, without actually putting the bets on the numbers, just note the results.
and virtually calculate out the Win/Loss analysis.
Easy done, we all do it.
Could also build a Tracker for it, and input the numbers.
So, for real play, a safety net could be pulled over it, as maybe, with permissions, place a Street bet, if it covers several,
suggested numbers, or a Lines bet (which I feel would be safer, and at minimum levels of £$E.)

Could even make it an outside EC bet, but table limits tend to be higher these days with lots of casinos.

Zorrobanban, says its a special, secret formula he has devised over the last three years, of hard graft.
I have not seen any details of this formula, although I would love to, even just a section of it…...........
for validation purposes. Wouldn’t need to see much of it, to know its real, band still not know how to use it.!!

Zorrobanban, is very approachable, and if anyone wants details…...just ask….
I have nothing to hide or not disclose here…............just presenting what I saw, and how I see it.
cheers all.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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[Thanks Chrisbis
As I understand it-you bet only red or black until the guy tells you to bet ?Is this because the roulette you play needs you to bet before it will spin ?
And , pardon my ignorance but what is ” finales ” ?
Thanks again.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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@Scepticus

No….I Bet on Red & Black, even tho there was a Free Spin option on the casino table.

There is a theory, that if you place a bet, the algorithm of the casino produces “correct” results from the start…..
but its only a thought!
It may not make an iota of difference!

On your second point…......Its ok not to know what “Finales” are…..
U will I’m sure go…Ahhh….that’s what they are called…...

Finales are those numbers, within 0-9, that U could easily group together.
So, the finales for 0 are 0,10,20,30
For 1, they are :- 1,11,21,31
For 2, they are :- 2,12,22,32
For 3. they are :- 3,13,23,33
For 4, they are :- 4,14,24,34
For 5, they are :- 5,15,25,35
For 6, they are :- 6,16,26,36
For 7, they are :- 7,17,27
For 8, they are :- 8,18,28
For 9, they are :- 9,19,29

Do you see what I mean now Scepticus?

Quite often, and there is not a known reason why it happens, but on RNG and Real Wheels/Roulette
once you see two spins from One group, say like 6, 13, 28, 26 then there is a thought you should bet on the other parts of the Finales group, and it may show.
Usually, the default is to bet for 4 spins only, in the chase for the other Finales.
Or else, they (the original Finales) have moved too far away from the current spin results.

That Ok for you guys?

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Posted: 17 July 2013 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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chrisbis - 17 July 2013 06:20 PM

@Scepticus

No….I Bet on Red & Black, even tho there was a Free Spin option on the casino table.

There is a theory, that if you place a bet, the algorithm of the casino produces “correct” results from the start…..
but its only a thought!
It may not make an iota of difference!

On your second point…......Its ok not to know what “Finales” are…..
U will I’m sure go…Ahhh….that’s what they are called…...

Finales are those numbers, within 0-9, that U could easily group together.
So, the finales for 0 are 0,10,20,30
For 1, they are :- 1,11,21,31
For 2, they are :- 2,12,22,32
For 3. they are :- 3,13,23,33
For 4, they are :- 4,14,24,34
For 5, they are :- 5,15,25,35
For 6, they are :- 6,16,26,36
For 7, they are :- 7,17,27
For 8, they are :- 8,18,28
For 9, they are :- 9,19,29

Do you see what I mean now Scepticus?

Quite often, and there is not a known reason why it happens, but on RNG and Real Wheels/Roulette
once you see two spins from One group, say like 6, 13, 28, 26 then there is a thought you should bet on the other parts of the Finales group, and it may show.
Usually, the default is to bet for 4 spins only, in the chase for the other Finales.
Or else, they (the original Finales) have moved too far away from the current spin results.

That Ok for you guys?

Hi Chrisbis
Aaah ! that’s what they are called !
I have been betting on roulette for 45 years and for too many of them I believed the crap about the Lon g Run , believing it to be set in stone.
My first “certain ” strategy to win was betting columns to come up one after the other.Yep ! No kidding !
My second strategy - though now not so certain - was your effing finales ! Because I had seen it happen so many times
before.When I tried it , I did have a fair bit of success but then it bombed ! My wife plays the slots but when she loses
( often but don’t tell her ) she has a go at roulette terminals.
And, what does she play ? Yup ! You guessed it. Finales and
  also bets 0 if 36 has showed and 36 if 0 showed.But she has
Fun ! With MY money ! But She’s worth it.
Do I now bet finales ? Not on your life I don’t.  I prefer to feel comfortable when I bet - and I am .
Having control of your emotions - in ANY gambling environment - is essential if you are to win.Mind you, knowing what to do and being ABLE to do it are two different things.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 07:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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I have been betting on roulette for 45 years - Scepticus

Scepticus,

No you haven’t LOL.

You make very rookie like mistakes in your probability calculations etc.  Furthermore you’re still chasing ridiculous systems more like a new player would. For example, your absurd “this column has more reds, or this column has more blacks” system. My estimate is that you’ve only been at this for a two or three years, max!  Experience players no from trial and error what works, and what doesn’t.  You’re simply not there yet.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 09:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Houston - 17 July 2013 07:54 PM

I have been betting on roulette for 45 years - Scepticus

Scepticus,

No you haven’t LOL.

You make very rookie like mistakes in your probability calculations etc.  Furthermore you’re still chasing ridiculous systems more like a new player would. For example, your absurd “this column has more reds, or this column has more blacks” system. My estimate is that you’ve only been at this for a two or three years, max!  Experience players no from trial and error what works, and what doesn’t.  You’re simply not there yet.

-Houston

Oh ! Go away Houston you silly child.
How do you know how long anyone’s been playing roulette if you don’t know them ?
I showed by the posts of you and the other AP fantasists that your own system of AP was based on a logical contradiction and so is ” worthless “, yet you still persist that you are correct ! Grow up !
A self proclaimed ” expert ” games player would be aware of “joint probability ” in maths and any High School maths student would be aware of it yet you don’t know of it so ipso facto you are a fraud, a fantasist.And anyone on this forum would see that your repeated silly posts reveal that you have a childish mind and attitude .So , go back to your kindergarten ,Houston.You don’t demean me but yourself.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 09:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Using Probability Theory we consider that the chance of both 20 / 37   AND   18 / 37 both winning on the same spin is 20 / 37 multiplied by 18 / 37 which is 360 /1369.
So betting 8 chips on 1369 costs us 10952 chips.By winning  
on only 360 spins we win 360 x 36 chips- a total of 12960 chips.A surplus of 2008 chips which when divided by the amount bet 10952 reveals a profit margin of 18.3 %

Not even close.  Betting 8 chips on 1369 spins will cost you 10,952 units.  You will win 8/37(1369)(36) = about 10656 units.  THIS MEANS THAT YOU WILL LOSE 296 UNITS!!!!
(Total won 10656 units) - (Total bet 10952 units) =( -296 units)
Bets won: 8/37(1369 spins) You only won 296 of your bets, not 360 of them.  THIS IS WHY YOU LOST!

Using a chart compiled by someone using Degree Level
maths we find that a 15% margin on a 7/2 shot requires 37 stakes which is 37 x 8 = 296.As chips are bought in “Stacks”
of 20 we round this up to 300. Job done.
( His chart is in “steps” and has no 18% on it and I have erred on the side of caution )
Just remember that in any form of gambling no guarantees are available as all bets are subject to chance.

And the rest of the information written above is simply blarney.

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How do you know how long anyone’s been playing roulette if you don’t know them ?-Scepticus


Scepticus,

A good example is the one posted above.  You really thought that you had a winning system simply, because you didn’t know how to properly calculate the probability.  It’s because of such blunders, and our experience that we can tell that you’re a fraud.  Your childish actions and attacks are another dead give away. 

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Posted: 17 July 2013 10:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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[A good example is the one posted above.  You really thought that you had a winning system simply, because you didn’t know how to properly calculate the probability.  It’s because of such blunders, and our experience that we can tell that you’re a fraud.  Your childish actions and attacks are another dead give away. 

-Houston

 

 


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Posted: 17 July 2013 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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And so history repeats itself. Scep started insulting MO, Pertnax and myself when he was proved wrong a while back. Oh do not forget Brian. Hey Houston. Brian is located in LV if you are interested.

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Posted: 19 July 2013 09:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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LV ?

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Posted: 19 July 2013 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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What do we understand with “beat the roulette”. In the discussion about the roulette, there is much misunderstanding.
I use two definitions.
1 The EV of the roulette is broken. Through centuries, people have tried it. All mathematicians will agree it is impossible.
2 After playing some time or a number of spins, you won more than you lost.
With the last definition I mean, you can beat the roulette.
Mostly I play about 2.30 hour. When I close my session and I have a profit, I beat the roulette. Every session stand on its own. There is no relation with earlier sessions.

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