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SO WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES ?
Posted: 06 August 2013 07:20 AM   [ Ignore ]
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SO WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES ?

personal opinion ... there are not many or none ...

1. I believe that “online” casinos have a built-in system that kicks in when player is winning
  most of the time (only personal experience)

2. That doesn’t mean giving up playing ... like the game and won’t give up looking for “the perfect system ??????? “

3. I really would like to hear from somebody (again) , that he/she made money on the roulette constantly ...
  and if they are and have the courage to explain their system to the forum ... than / OK…(I wouldn’t do it)
  but they won’t, because they can’t / or they will not ...
  easy to make statement “I’m a big time winner” , but no explanation ...

  it would be comparable to having knowledge of tomorrows winning “lotto” numbers ...
    nobody would spread that over the internet ! insain ..

anyway, cheers everybody
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Posted: 07 August 2013 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Totally agree with you on this part. The online casinoes clearly have “adaptive” software. Ive seen way to many odd things to believe that the online roulette isnt adapting to your gameplay.

Like i noticed a odd thing happening when pressing the “roll same bet again” quick key. Every time i got a Zero and hit that key i got another Zero streaking it. After it happened for the 9th time i obviously cought on. Tried betting on Zero after a Zero .. alas this require you to “clean the table of bets” and bet on Zero. Next 14 times a zero pop’d .. i didnt win. Ok, fair enough i thought and went back to using the “roll same bet again” key. Next 4 times a zero pop’d it went back to double pop’ing. Sure it no proff but it screams of adaptiveness.

Perhaps even more noticable with the small “harmless” Red/black betting where you end up suddenly looking into a 24x in a row where you choose wrong? Followed by 21x where it dosnt hit “even” and then one row dont hit 19x times in a row .. and you just “happened” to be betting on them at the time? How unlucky or?. Ive played quite a few mmorpgs in my time and one of them had a “weapon enchanting system” where you could upgrade your weapons level at a forge. 50% was the chance for each level and even tho i played that game for 3 years i never managed to get past level 8 even after 1000+ attemps.  Wierd online roulette? Very. Especially as it happens to everyone i know.

Another odd thing is when i play old ps1/xbox casino games .. such wierd “unlucky” streaks never happen? Sure you can get unlucky there too but nothing compared to the online freakiness.

Of cause i cant prove anything concrete and there are many different online roulette programs out there. Nor do i have any idea about real live roulette wheels. I imagine some concervative calculated and low limited betting would be quite possible on the real thing as i cant imagine you running into the same “freak of nature” event every 10 min like it happens online.

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Posted: 08 August 2013 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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hello skateviking ,

read your answer, so we more or less agree ..
I really would like to hear from a programmer, who helped writing these online games,
but most likely, that won’t happen ..
anyway, we don’t give up

cheers
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Posted: 09 August 2013 07:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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There are many possibilities to manipulate the results of a internet casino specially the roulette.
It is very simple to design a manipulated RNG. You have the idea ,you look to a RNG 0/36, but the secret reallity is ,the RNG is a 0/37 one. The created random row can not deliver the evidence the RNG is manipulated.

The second method is, the casino keeps the record of the profit. The software is so programmed that loss is more than the profit.

The third method is, the software has a tracking program for detecting systems or strategies.

They use such programs also for discovering roulette bots.

When I play on internet I play allways different strategies on the different chances to avoit the software can detect me

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Posted: 09 August 2013 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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dobbelsteen - 09 August 2013 07:24 AM

There are many possibilities to manipulate the results of a internet casino specially the roulette.
It is very simple to design a manipulated RNG. You have the idea ,you look to a RNG 0/36, but the secret reallity is ,the RNG is a 0/37 one. The created random row can not deliver the evidence the RNG is manipulated.

The second method is, the casino keeps the record of the profit. The software is so programmed that loss is more than the profit.

The third method is, the software has a tracking program for detecting systems or strategies.

They use such programs also for discovering roulette bots.

When I play on internet I play allways different strategies on the different chances to avoit the software can detect me

 

And how many spins in your working do you require to work out a random generator working at 0/37 instead of 0/36
cannot be calculated to a reasonable argument?

Maybe you should start by saying, “this is what I think!”

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Posted: 09 August 2013 08:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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thank you dobbelsteen,

that was quite clear

regards   ttbtr

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Posted: 09 August 2013 09:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Try:  CEL A1 = ASELECTTUSSEN (0;37)
      CEL B1= ALS(AI=37;0;A1)

Sleb A1 and B1

Column A create a random row between 0 and 37.
Column B create a random row between 0 and 36 with a hidden second zero.
It is also possible to manipulate a random number between 0 and zero.

This manipulation can never be found without the source code.

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Posted: 09 August 2013 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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dobbelsteen - 09 August 2013 09:06 AM

Try:  CEL A1 = ASELECTTUSSEN (0;37)
      CEL B1= ALS(AI=37;0;A1)

Sleb A1 and B1

Column A create a random row between 0 and 37.
Column B create a random row between 0 and 36 with a hidden second zero.
It is also possible to manipulate a random number between 0 and zero.

This manipulation can never be found without the source code.

Why do you believe this to be the case?

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Posted: 10 August 2013 04:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Pertinax we discas here the reliability of the on line casino.
I give an example, how easy you can manipulate the pseudo RNG used in th internet casino`s.
Did you try it or is it too difficult for you?

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Posted: 10 August 2013 05:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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dobbelsteen - 10 August 2013 04:11 AM

Pertinax we discas here the reliability of the on line casino.
I give an example, how easy you can manipulate the pseudo RNG used in th internet casino`s.
Did you try it or is it too difficult for you?

Do you ever answer a question in a direct manner?  If you look at what you replied you may see the error
you have made. That is if you understand it, being an engineer and math guy you should.

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Posted: 20 February 2014 06:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Well, I agree to most of you here. No doubt that most online casino “has a built-in system that kicks in when player is winning”. After all, it’s all business. Casino is not designed to get bankrupt, right?

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Posted: 27 November 2014 06:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I think it’s really very tough to predict.

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Posted: 27 November 2014 09:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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It is not !00% right but some times i also think that when any player start winning constantly then It kicks player but it is also not right.
You can say that the online game is totally virtual and any process is not consistent on that.

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