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Posted: 16 December 2013 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Dear RouletteForum members,

First Happy Holidays! Year is coming to an end so fast!  If any of you roulette players ever wanted to consider trying to go pro - or extract profits daily - you may be interested in a new book (actually e-book) called “Roulette Income Momentum Strategy” developed by some quants and Hedge Fund traders in Asia.

It does not claim to be any sort of Holy Grail - but it does focus on daily target that is very reasonably sized versus available bankrolls. What is more interesting is the unique application of the > 50% probability strategy - it must be double dozens or more to have > 50% win rate per spin. In addition the focus on very short time playing segments, plus the focus on having pre-set Target exits and loss exits, are critical for those wanting to play daily.

Take a look at it if you have time - I am most interested in reading and studying the section on what the Pro Player does over 30 days is also interesting (ala Anderson’s BJ Burning the Tables type of approach).  Some Holiday Sale cost savings & Bonus Items also seem beneficial.  Sale date ends 12/31/2013.  Sale price reduced to $97 (USD) from $150 (USD) thru 12/31/2013.

It is available exclusively on by contacting:  .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Sorry if too spammy - but not v often roulette players get to go spin by spin inside a Pro Player’s mindset and his system also. 

Sorry also - tried to upload PDF info on this e-book for members to look at - but unable to upload PDF file (said only images for uploads).  So I just tried to upload jpgs of the PDF product info pages for your interest (pgs 5-7 only)

In any case - hope the ball is landing your way more often than not!  Happy Holidays - stay warm & safe!

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Posted: 16 December 2013 12:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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The above poster is just another Gypsy scammer!

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Posted: 16 December 2013 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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This is a detailed reply to Houston’s standard negative, uninformative, ranting commentary.

Houston, you are a Sr Member of the forum - so why all the constant bashing and negative rants on your posts? You know - it is SO EASY to always say house edge blah blah blah… - or Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.  Everybody knows this already - old stuff - nothing to learn. 

Do you even gamble?  R you a poor gambler?  Speculator/trader?  Do you get stressed out by the random nature of the distribution of outcomes of Wins vs Losses?  I suspect that u r not a successful gambler not speculator.

We are quantitative algo traders - we deal in stats at multiple levels of dimensions daily - speculating large $$$ positions.  We deal with the “right edge” - and in roulette - we deal with the next spins.  Trust me - we are very comfortable with the unknown, random distribution of outcomes in gaming and trading!

Houston - contrary to what you always seem to imply/say - players CAN win in gaming.  There are minimum skill-sets required of gamblers - especially advantage players (even if “edge” is to the house) - that can make them improve from consistently losing and stressing out while gambling!

There is some degree of skill & situational awareness - to know when the outcomes are not going our way - and we exit early with small losses.  There is a degree of prepared “skill” - in getting sufficient bankroll, placing every bet as being a very small % of the bankroll, etc.

Let’s see - several of us witnessed the Player playing 00 roulette with these stats:

1. 25 consecutive days - all spins and bets recorded.
2. 2 losing days - each day’s loss was a WHOPPING (-1 unit)!
3. 1 breakeven day - a win of (+1 unit).
4. 22 winning days - for a winning outcome of (+209 units).  Target was +10 units - and then exit after 1st loss.
5. All 25 days - every session never lasted more than 70 spins!  Nor did the sessions last more than 1.5 hrs.
6. Adversity Stats:  Worst drawdown from Max Equity = (-32 units) and (-27 units) on two separate days.  Remainder had avg volatility (-8 units).
7. Adversity Stats:  Maximum Adverse Excursion (i.e., most negative equity position below 0) = (-32 units) and (-19 units) on two separate days.

Player played Black chips ($100) as base unit.  Houston - what size chips do you play (if at all)?  Player netted over $20k in 25 consecutive days.

Risk metric:  Buy-in 75 units (session bankroll 150 units). Over 25 consecutive days, never breached 50% drawdown of the session buy-in.  Player total risk capital is set permanently at 1000 units (so base bet is 0.1% of bankroll).

Player Performance Metric:  Player was also tracked for “variant plays” against the Roulette Strategy - in the Hedge Fund trading world, this is considered an “error”.  Player NOT ONCE made any bet placement error!  In addition there was ZERO bet-sizing error.  In other words, in winning and losing spins - the Player never deviated from his Plan of Attack.  His FOCUS and situational awareness was always set to try and exit as quickly as possible.

Houston - do you think for a moment - that maybe…at least one RouletteForum member might be able to learn some “skill” in gaming?  That at least one member might think that despite the House EDGE, with tight risk controls - it might be possible to have more winning sessions than losing sessions?  And coupled with the correct bankroll, correct betting leverage/torque, correct entry/exit filters - the member(s) here might at least be interested in learning to try to win as best as is possible?  By minimizing losing sessions?  By locking on winning runs and then exit the sessions on 1st loss?

We have heard it all - impossible to win, etc. We do not play the long run - we play very short runs/sessions, and set very short targets +10 units! Under these conditions, it is very “hard” for the house Edge to exert itself at any degree of significance.

By the way - casinos win MUCH MORE than its EDGE!!!  The wins come from player errors, player desperation, stress, poor and extreme bet spreads, insufficient buy-in and insufficient total bankrolls (vs avg bet size), etc.

We do not play out of “fear of losing” - we play to capture at least 3-4 consec winning bets - which is quite frequent when applying high probability bets (meaning more than a 60/40 coverage).  We play to win - to know that with sufficient buy-in, sufficient bankroll (at least 500 units), very tight entry filters, very rapid exit filters - all these techniques if executed flawlessly will give us more than enough win sessions!

Was the Player just “lucky” in the past 25 days?  Absolutely!  But - being lucky does not even guarantee the Player would be able to keep any/all the winnings!  Being lucky is a necessary - but NOT SUFFICIENT - ingredient for professional gaming success.  This is true in professional poker playing.  Even more true in BJ card counting - how often we see massive + True Counts - massive bets - but Dealer gets the 20s and 21s???

I bet the members in this forum are much smarter and more experienced than you give credit!  Many understand - having good luck is critical. But - learning the skill to manage the good luck to accumulate and lock up profits - that is a skill-based metric.

And - when unlucky - having the patience, discipline, ability to say “next session” or “next day” - to exit quickly - that also is a skill-set that must be acquired!

Most important - members when gamble of course want to win - but even if losing - to know they are continually learning new gaming skills, and to know they are playing at their best skill levels (measurable also), that is really what “fun gaming” is about!

The Strategy the Pro Player used is highly repeatable and easily measurable for variances/errors in player performance.  The combination of bet sizing, high % of winning bets per spin, and very tight entry filters - allow the game to have positive equity cycles (like hitting +10 units frequently) - to allow players to exit safely and profitably.

These factors are what makes the roulette challenge fun, “skill based”, and gives members/players confidence in their own playing responsibilities, discipline!

In addition, in Asia here we see many professional forex and quant traders consistently take home $$$ from the casinos!  And - they play either poker or roulette where the win % accuracy per spin can be synthetically altered to be very high!  This is not possible in baccarat or BJ.  Even in the highest + True Counts - the win % “edge” is less than 5% for the player still.  These pros provide more anecdotal data that very short-term wins are quite possible!

IF - however, you DO NOT BELIEVE you can ever win - then don’t gamble!  But - if you decide to gamble - at least (1) have as much fun as possible and know you can play at the highest performance level, (2) have fun to know that the roulette system provides many winning streaks - thus allowing you to capture (+10 units) quickly!

The Roulette System described in detail - will teach the players firm discipline, very sound bet sizing, very tight Target Lock-ups, very tight Loss exits.  In the “evolution” of the player into a disciplined, responsible, systematic player - that player will “evolve” to really have fun facing the challenges of risk, uncertainty of outcomes!  That player will play from strength - not from fear of losing “again” - but from a position of fun and anticipation to know ahead of time that IF - a bit of good luck happens today - the player/member WILL be able to LOCK UP PROFITS quickly and exit a WINNER.

This is winning gambling - deal with the bad luck - exploit the good luck!  So simple - so fun.  Responsible, ready/prepared to accept small losses - but excited and anticipating PROFIT LOCK-UPS!  At least - I hope the members/readers in this forum can begin to see how skill-based/fun-based gaming is possible!  Members must have FUN gambling - and this allows players to get in the “FLOW” during winning sessions!  It really is all possible - can be learned - can be repeated daily!

In closing - real fun & profitable gaming is not only possible - but it is a MUST for members here!  Skill-based gaming is much more in depth than the boring “house edge”, “gambler’s fallacy”, old storylines!  We have fun in gaming - NOT because of WINS - but because as we are challenged, we grow in our abilities, confidence, and discipline.  This self-growth (and hopefully but not guaranteed profits) is what makes high-level pro gaming exciting!

Do NOT let the negativity and fear of losing by other players/members take away the fun and challenge of playing at a high level!  It can be done - it has been done repeatedly by pro players - and members CAN do it with the right training, support, bankroll, time, and repeated Decide/Act cycles!  Learn to have fun and play to win!

Thanks to all of the members patience and time for this lengthy reply - I just could not let Houston’s negative ranting dominate the forum threads!

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Posted: 16 December 2013 06:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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What a load of blarney.  Buyers beware.  The above is simply a Gypsy scam.

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Posted: 18 December 2013 01:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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roulette income player - 16 December 2013 06:20 PM

This is a detailed reply to Houston’s standard negative, uninformative, ranting commentary.

Houston, you are a Sr Member of the forum - so why all the constant bashing and negative rants on your posts? You know - it is SO EASY to always say house edge blah blah blah… - or Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.  Everybody knows this already - old stuff - nothing to learn. 

Do you even gamble?  R you a poor gambler?  Speculator/trader?  Do you get stressed out by the random nature of the distribution of outcomes of Wins vs Losses?  I suspect that u r not a successful gambler not speculator.

We are quantitative algo traders - we deal in stats at multiple levels of dimensions daily - speculating large $$$ positions.  We deal with the “right edge” - and in roulette - we deal with the next spins.  Trust me - we are very comfortable with the unknown, random distribution of outcomes in gaming and trading!

Houston - contrary to what you always seem to imply/say - players CAN win in gaming.  There are minimum skill-sets required of gamblers - especially advantage players (even if “edge” is to the house) - that can make them improve from consistently losing and stressing out while gambling!

There is some degree of skill & situational awareness - to know when the outcomes are not going our way - and we exit early with small losses.  There is a degree of prepared “skill” - in getting sufficient bankroll, placing every bet as being a very small % of the bankroll, etc.

Let’s see - several of us witnessed the Player playing 00 roulette with these stats:

1. 25 consecutive days - all spins and bets recorded.
2. 2 losing days - each day’s loss was a WHOPPING (-1 unit)!
3. 1 breakeven day - a win of (+1 unit).
4. 22 winning days - for a winning outcome of (+209 units).  Target was +10 units - and then exit after 1st loss.
5. All 25 days - every session never lasted more than 70 spins!  Nor did the sessions last more than 1.5 hrs.
6. Adversity Stats:  Worst drawdown from Max Equity = (-32 units) and (-27 units) on two separate days.  Remainder had avg volatility (-8 units).
7. Adversity Stats:  Maximum Adverse Excursion (i.e., most negative equity position below 0) = (-32 units) and (-19 units) on two separate days.

Player played Black chips ($100) as base unit.  Houston - what size chips do you play (if at all)?  Player netted over $20k in 25 consecutive days.

Risk metric:  Buy-in 75 units (session bankroll 150 units). Over 25 consecutive days, never breached 50% drawdown of the session buy-in.  Player total risk capital is set permanently at 1000 units (so base bet is 0.1% of bankroll).

Player Performance Metric:  Player was also tracked for “variant plays” against the Roulette Strategy - in the Hedge Fund trading world, this is considered an “error”.  Player NOT ONCE made any bet placement error!  In addition there was ZERO bet-sizing error.  In other words, in winning and losing spins - the Player never deviated from his Plan of Attack.  His FOCUS and situational awareness was always set to try and exit as quickly as possible.

Houston - do you think for a moment - that maybe…at least one RouletteForum member might be able to learn some “skill” in gaming?  That at least one member might think that despite the House EDGE, with tight risk controls - it might be possible to have more winning sessions than losing sessions?  And coupled with the correct bankroll, correct betting leverage/torque, correct entry/exit filters - the member(s) here might at least be interested in learning to try to win as best as is possible?  By minimizing losing sessions?  By locking on winning runs and then exit the sessions on 1st loss?

We have heard it all - impossible to win, etc. We do not play the long run - we play very short runs/sessions, and set very short targets +10 units! Under these conditions, it is very “hard” for the house Edge to exert itself at any degree of significance.

By the way - casinos win MUCH MORE than its EDGE!!!  The wins come from player errors, player desperation, stress, poor and extreme bet spreads, insufficient buy-in and insufficient total bankrolls (vs avg bet size), etc.

We do not play out of “fear of losing” - we play to capture at least 3-4 consec winning bets - which is quite frequent when applying high probability bets (meaning more than a 60/40 coverage).  We play to win - to know that with sufficient buy-in, sufficient bankroll (at least 500 units), very tight entry filters, very rapid exit filters - all these techniques if executed flawlessly will give us more than enough win sessions!

Was the Player just “lucky” in the past 25 days?  Absolutely!  But - being lucky does not even guarantee the Player would be able to keep any/all the winnings!  Being lucky is a necessary - but NOT SUFFICIENT - ingredient for professional gaming success.  This is true in professional poker playing.  Even more true in BJ card counting - how often we see massive + True Counts - massive bets - but Dealer gets the 20s and 21s???

I bet the members in this forum are much smarter and more experienced than you give credit!  Many understand - having good luck is critical. But - learning the skill to manage the good luck to accumulate and lock up profits - that is a skill-based metric.

And - when unlucky - having the patience, discipline, ability to say “next session” or “next day” - to exit quickly - that also is a skill-set that must be acquired!

Most important - members when gamble of course want to win - but even if losing - to know they are continually learning new gaming skills, and to know they are playing at their best skill levels (measurable also), that is really what “fun gaming” is about!

The Strategy the Pro Player used is highly repeatable and easily measurable for variances/errors in player performance.  The combination of bet sizing, high % of winning bets per spin, and very tight entry filters - allow the game to have positive equity cycles (like hitting +10 units frequently) - to allow players to exit safely and profitably.

These factors are what makes the roulette challenge fun, “skill based”, and gives members/players confidence in their own playing responsibilities, discipline!

In addition, in Asia here we see many professional forex and quant traders consistently take home $$$ from the casinos!  And - they play either poker or roulette where the win % accuracy per spin can be synthetically altered to be very high!  This is not possible in baccarat or BJ.  Even in the highest + True Counts - the win % “edge” is less than 5% for the player still.  These pros provide more anecdotal data that very short-term wins are quite possible!

IF - however, you DO NOT BELIEVE you can ever win - then don’t gamble!  But - if you decide to gamble - at least (1) have as much fun as possible and know you can play at the highest performance level, (2) have fun to know that the roulette system provides many winning streaks - thus allowing you to capture (+10 units) quickly!

The Roulette System described in detail - will teach the players firm discipline, very sound bet sizing, very tight Target Lock-ups, very tight Loss exits.  In the “evolution” of the player into a disciplined, responsible, systematic player - that player will “evolve” to really have fun facing the challenges of risk, uncertainty of outcomes!  That player will play from strength - not from fear of losing “again” - but from a position of fun and anticipation to know ahead of time that IF - a bit of good luck happens today - the player/member WILL be able to LOCK UP PROFITS quickly and exit a WINNER.

This is winning gambling - deal with the bad luck - exploit the good luck!  So simple - so fun.  Responsible, ready/prepared to accept small losses - but excited and anticipating PROFIT LOCK-UPS!  At least - I hope the members/readers in this forum can begin to see how skill-based/fun-based gaming is possible!  Members must have FUN gambling - and this allows players to get in the “FLOW” during winning sessions!  It really is all possible - can be learned - can be repeated daily!

In closing - real fun & profitable gaming is not only possible - but it is a MUST for members here!  Skill-based gaming is much more in depth than the boring “house edge”, “gambler’s fallacy”, old storylines!  We have fun in gaming - NOT because of WINS - but because as we are challenged, we grow in our abilities, confidence, and discipline.  This self-growth (and hopefully but not guaranteed profits) is what makes high-level pro gaming exciting!

Do NOT let the negativity and fear of losing by other players/members take away the fun and challenge of playing at a high level!  It can be done - it has been done repeatedly by pro players - and members CAN do it with the right training, support, bankroll, time, and repeated Decide/Act cycles!  Learn to have fun and play to win!

Thanks to all of the members patience and time for this lengthy reply - I just could not let Houston’s negative ranting dominate the forum threads!

If you knew House Edge and Gambler’s Fallacy as you claim. You would realize why this system is rubbish. smile You see you and others do not know the meaning of either otherwise you wouldn’t be barking up the wrong tree.

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Posted: 18 December 2013 03:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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VB Meister - 18 December 2013 01:52 AM
roulette income player - 16 December 2013 06:20 PM

This is a detailed reply to Houston’s standard negative, uninformative, ranting commentary.

Houston, you are a Sr Member of the forum - so why all the constant bashing and negative rants on your posts? You know - it is SO EASY to always say house edge blah blah blah… - or Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.  Everybody knows this already - old stuff - nothing to learn. 

Do you even gamble?  R you a poor gambler?  Speculator/trader?  Do you get stressed out by the random nature of the distribution of outcomes of Wins vs Losses?  I suspect that u r not a successful gambler not speculator.

We are quantitative algo traders - we deal in stats at multiple levels of dimensions daily - speculating large $$$ positions.  We deal with the “right edge” - and in roulette - we deal with the next spins.  Trust me - we are very comfortable with the unknown, random distribution of outcomes in gaming and trading!

Houston - contrary to what you always seem to imply/say - players CAN win in gaming.  There are minimum skill-sets required of gamblers - especially advantage players (even if “edge” is to the house) - that can make them improve from consistently losing and stressing out while gambling!

There is some degree of skill & situational awareness - to know when the outcomes are not going our way - and we exit early with small losses.  There is a degree of prepared “skill” - in getting sufficient bankroll, placing every bet as being a very small % of the bankroll, etc.

Let’s see - several of us witnessed the Player playing 00 roulette with these stats:

1. 25 consecutive days - all spins and bets recorded.
2. 2 losing days - each day’s loss was a WHOPPING (-1 unit)!
3. 1 breakeven day - a win of (+1 unit).
4. 22 winning days - for a winning outcome of (+209 units).  Target was +10 units - and then exit after 1st loss.
5. All 25 days - every session never lasted more than 70 spins!  Nor did the sessions last more than 1.5 hrs.
6. Adversity Stats:  Worst drawdown from Max Equity = (-32 units) and (-27 units) on two separate days.  Remainder had avg volatility (-8 units).
7. Adversity Stats:  Maximum Adverse Excursion (i.e., most negative equity position below 0) = (-32 units) and (-19 units) on two separate days.

Player played Black chips ($100) as base unit.  Houston - what size chips do you play (if at all)?  Player netted over $20k in 25 consecutive days.

Risk metric:  Buy-in 75 units (session bankroll 150 units). Over 25 consecutive days, never breached 50% drawdown of the session buy-in.  Player total risk capital is set permanently at 1000 units (so base bet is 0.1% of bankroll).

Player Performance Metric:  Player was also tracked for “variant plays” against the Roulette Strategy - in the Hedge Fund trading world, this is considered an “error”.  Player NOT ONCE made any bet placement error!  In addition there was ZERO bet-sizing error.  In other words, in winning and losing spins - the Player never deviated from his Plan of Attack.  His FOCUS and situational awareness was always set to try and exit as quickly as possible.

Houston - do you think for a moment - that maybe…at least one RouletteForum member might be able to learn some “skill” in gaming?  That at least one member might think that despite the House EDGE, with tight risk controls - it might be possible to have more winning sessions than losing sessions?  And coupled with the correct bankroll, correct betting leverage/torque, correct entry/exit filters - the member(s) here might at least be interested in learning to try to win as best as is possible?  By minimizing losing sessions?  By locking on winning runs and then exit the sessions on 1st loss?

We have heard it all - impossible to win, etc. We do not play the long run - we play very short runs/sessions, and set very short targets +10 units! Under these conditions, it is very “hard” for the house Edge to exert itself at any degree of significance.

By the way - casinos win MUCH MORE than its EDGE!!!  The wins come from player errors, player desperation, stress, poor and extreme bet spreads, insufficient buy-in and insufficient total bankrolls (vs avg bet size), etc.

We do not play out of “fear of losing” - we play to capture at least 3-4 consec winning bets - which is quite frequent when applying high probability bets (meaning more than a 60/40 coverage).  We play to win - to know that with sufficient buy-in, sufficient bankroll (at least 500 units), very tight entry filters, very rapid exit filters - all these techniques if executed flawlessly will give us more than enough win sessions!

Was the Player just “lucky” in the past 25 days?  Absolutely!  But - being lucky does not even guarantee the Player would be able to keep any/all the winnings!  Being lucky is a necessary - but NOT SUFFICIENT - ingredient for professional gaming success.  This is true in professional poker playing.  Even more true in BJ card counting - how often we see massive + True Counts - massive bets - but Dealer gets the 20s and 21s???

I bet the members in this forum are much smarter and more experienced than you give credit!  Many understand - having good luck is critical. But - learning the skill to manage the good luck to accumulate and lock up profits - that is a skill-based metric.

And - when unlucky - having the patience, discipline, ability to say “next session” or “next day” - to exit quickly - that also is a skill-set that must be acquired!

Most important - members when gamble of course want to win - but even if losing - to know they are continually learning new gaming skills, and to know they are playing at their best skill levels (measurable also), that is really what “fun gaming” is about!

The Strategy the Pro Player used is highly repeatable and easily measurable for variances/errors in player performance.  The combination of bet sizing, high % of winning bets per spin, and very tight entry filters - allow the game to have positive equity cycles (like hitting +10 units frequently) - to allow players to exit safely and profitably.

These factors are what makes the roulette challenge fun, “skill based”, and gives members/players confidence in their own playing responsibilities, discipline!

In addition, in Asia here we see many professional forex and quant traders consistently take home $$$ from the casinos!  And - they play either poker or roulette where the win % accuracy per spin can be synthetically altered to be very high!  This is not possible in baccarat or BJ.  Even in the highest + True Counts - the win % “edge” is less than 5% for the player still.  These pros provide more anecdotal data that very short-term wins are quite possible!

IF - however, you DO NOT BELIEVE you can ever win - then don’t gamble!  But - if you decide to gamble - at least (1) have as much fun as possible and know you can play at the highest performance level, (2) have fun to know that the roulette system provides many winning streaks - thus allowing you to capture (+10 units) quickly!

The Roulette System described in detail - will teach the players firm discipline, very sound bet sizing, very tight Target Lock-ups, very tight Loss exits.  In the “evolution” of the player into a disciplined, responsible, systematic player - that player will “evolve” to really have fun facing the challenges of risk, uncertainty of outcomes!  That player will play from strength - not from fear of losing “again” - but from a position of fun and anticipation to know ahead of time that IF - a bit of good luck happens today - the player/member WILL be able to LOCK UP PROFITS quickly and exit a WINNER.

This is winning gambling - deal with the bad luck - exploit the good luck!  So simple - so fun.  Responsible, ready/prepared to accept small losses - but excited and anticipating PROFIT LOCK-UPS!  At least - I hope the members/readers in this forum can begin to see how skill-based/fun-based gaming is possible!  Members must have FUN gambling - and this allows players to get in the “FLOW” during winning sessions!  It really is all possible - can be learned - can be repeated daily!

In closing - real fun & profitable gaming is not only possible - but it is a MUST for members here!  Skill-based gaming is much more in depth than the boring “house edge”, “gambler’s fallacy”, old storylines!  We have fun in gaming - NOT because of WINS - but because as we are challenged, we grow in our abilities, confidence, and discipline.  This self-growth (and hopefully but not guaranteed profits) is what makes high-level pro gaming exciting!

Do NOT let the negativity and fear of losing by other players/members take away the fun and challenge of playing at a high level!  It can be done - it has been done repeatedly by pro players - and members CAN do it with the right training, support, bankroll, time, and repeated Decide/Act cycles!  Learn to have fun and play to win!

Thanks to all of the members patience and time for this lengthy reply - I just could not let Houston’s negative ranting dominate the forum threads!

If you knew House Edge and Gambler’s Fallacy as you claim. You would realize why this system is rubbish. smile You see you and others do not know the meaning of either otherwise you wouldn’t be barking up the wrong tree.


don’t tell me you think chinalong dongs system with RBRB is rubbish also??

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Posted: 18 December 2013 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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No - what is really sad and “rubbish” - is to see posters in a gaming/roulette forum - that only post winning cannot be done.

Another rubbish point:  to imply that players cannot win sessions (very short # spins) to overcome house edge in x # of spins.  True, House edge is a disadvantage - but it is not proof positive that a player cannot “survive long enough” in a short play session to get to the positive equity cycle variances. 

Well - no need to establish proof or validation for those non gamers and “House Edge/Gambler’s Fallacy” zealots.  Why waste your time here?  Better to play bridge or poker or chess right?

For the rest of us gamers - this forum has one of many objectives - to try and share and see if/how/anyway possible - to improve the skill and situational awareness and “fun” of playing casino games like roulette.

Simple mission - have fun, know when to exit problem sessions/days, know when not mentally/psychologically at best level, etc.  I do believe - I can have winning sessions in the short term.  And - hopefully be making new bankroll equity highs BEFORE the dreaded massive House Edge takes it all down.  Hopefully - I will be exiting earlier than that thru my stop-loss exit rules.

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Posted: 18 December 2013 02:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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roulette income player - 18 December 2013 10:24 AM

No - what is really sad and “rubbish” - is to see posters in a gaming/roulette forum - that only post winning cannot be done.

Another rubbish point:  to imply that players cannot win sessions (very short # spins) to overcome house edge in x # of spins.  True, House edge is a disadvantage - but it is not proof positive that a player cannot “survive long enough” in a short play session to get to the positive equity cycle variances. 

Well - no need to establish proof or validation for those non gamers and “House Edge/Gambler’s Fallacy” zealots.  Why waste your time here?  Better to play bridge or poker or chess right?

For the rest of us gamers - this forum has one of many objectives - to try and share and see if/how/anyway possible - to improve the skill and situational awareness and “fun” of playing casino games like roulette.

Simple mission - have fun, know when to exit problem sessions/days, know when not mentally/psychologically at best level, etc.  I do believe - I can have winning sessions in the short term.  And - hopefully be making new bankroll equity highs BEFORE the dreaded massive House Edge takes it all down.  Hopefully - I will be exiting earlier than that thru my stop-loss exit
Thx.

Neither Houston or myself have ever implied that roulette cannot be beaten. We both do it and we sustain it in the longrun because we have the edge. You as a novice will not understand this….. you are however barking up the wrong tree. As far as Tom goes… well he is just a bottom feeder scammer.

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Posted: 18 December 2013 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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VB Meister - 18 December 2013 02:52 PM
roulette income player - 18 December 2013 10:24 AM

No - what is really sad and “rubbish” - is to see posters in a gaming/roulette forum - that only post winning cannot be done.

Another rubbish point:  to imply that players cannot win sessions (very short # spins) to overcome house edge in x # of spins.  True, House edge is a disadvantage - but it is not proof positive that a player cannot “survive long enough” in a short play session to get to the positive equity cycle variances. 

Well - no need to establish proof or validation for those non gamers and “House Edge/Gambler’s Fallacy” zealots.  Why waste your time here?  Better to play bridge or poker or chess right?

For the rest of us gamers - this forum has one of many objectives - to try and share and see if/how/anyway possible - to improve the skill and situational awareness and “fun” of playing casino games like roulette.

Simple mission - have fun, know when to exit problem sessions/days, know when not mentally/psychologically at best level, etc.  I do believe - I can have winning sessions in the short term.  And - hopefully be making new bankroll equity highs BEFORE the dreaded massive House Edge takes it all down.  Hopefully - I will be exiting earlier than that thru my stop-loss exit
Thx.

Neither Houston or myself have ever implied that roulette cannot be beaten. We both do it and we sustain it in the longrun because we have the edge. You as a novice will not understand this….. you are however barking up the wrong tree. As far as Tom goes… well he is just a bottom feeder scammer.

 

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Posted: 18 December 2013 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Wrong, VBM - sorry but there is no exclusive contract of having long-term edge that only belongs to you and Houston.

Both of your posts in other threads clearly indicate your inconsistency here - that you have an edge when you play long-term.  And, after saying all that neg rubbish about house edge, Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.

In fact - playing “long term” and more bets placed only puts you at higher risk to be hit with the “perfect storm”.

So - sorry but I don’t buy your outrageous claim that you have a positive edge - when you claim all others do not.  Nice try but struck out here.

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Posted: 18 December 2013 07:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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roulette income player - 18 December 2013 03:59 PM

Wrong, VBM - sorry but there is no exclusive contract of having long-term edge that only belongs to you and Houston.

Both of your posts in other threads clearly indicate your inconsistency here - that you have an edge when you play long-term.  And, after saying all that neg rubbish about house edge, Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.

In fact - playing “long term” and more bets placed only puts you at higher risk to be hit with the “perfect storm”.

So - sorry but I don’t buy your outrageous claim that you have a positive edge - when you claim all others do not.  Nice try but struck out here.


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Posted: 19 December 2013 05:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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roulette income player - 18 December 2013 03:59 PM

Wrong, VBM - sorry but there is no exclusive contract of having long-term edge that only belongs to you and Houston.

Both of your posts in other threads clearly indicate your inconsistency here - that you have an edge when you play long-term.  And, after saying all that neg rubbish about house edge, Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.

In fact - playing “long term” and more bets placed only puts you at higher risk to be hit with the “perfect storm”.

So - sorry but I don’t buy your outrageous claim that you have a positive edge - when you claim all others do not.  Nice try but struck out here.

That is exactly why I mentioned that you are a novice and would not understand. It isn’t just Houston and myself though. Guys like Pertinax, roulette Dealer and a few others who know how to gain an edge. smile

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Posted: 19 December 2013 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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VB Meister - 19 December 2013 05:22 AM
roulette income player - 18 December 2013 03:59 PM

Wrong, VBM - sorry but there is no exclusive contract of having long-term edge that only belongs to you and Houston.

Both of your posts in other threads clearly indicate your inconsistency here - that you have an edge when you play long-term.  And, after saying all that neg rubbish about house edge, Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.

In fact - playing “long term” and more bets placed only puts you at higher risk to be hit with the “perfect storm”.

So - sorry but I don’t buy your outrageous claim that you have a positive edge - when you claim all others do not.  Nice try but struck out here.

That is exactly why I mentioned that you are a novice and would not understand. It isn’t just Houston and myself though. Guys like Pertinax, roulette Dealer and a few others who know how to gain an edge. smile

 

Be silent VB you talk too much bullsh**  and no action just like the friends you’ve just mentioned!!

Time for you guys to watch and learn!

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Posted: 19 December 2013 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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tomuen - 19 December 2013 05:46 AM
VB Meister - 19 December 2013 05:22 AM
roulette income player - 18 December 2013 03:59 PM

Wrong, VBM - sorry but there is no exclusive contract of having long-term edge that only belongs to you and Houston.

Both of your posts in other threads clearly indicate your inconsistency here - that you have an edge when you play long-term.  And, after saying all that neg rubbish about house edge, Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.

In fact - playing “long term” and more bets placed only puts you at higher risk to be hit with the “perfect storm”.

So - sorry but I don’t buy your outrageous claim that you have a positive edge - when you claim all others do not.  Nice try but struck out here.

That is exactly why I mentioned that you are a novice and would not understand. It isn’t just Houston and myself though. Guys like Pertinax, roulette Dealer and a few others who know how to gain an edge. smile

 

Be silent VB you talk too much bullsh**  and no action just like the friends you’ve just mentioned!!

Time for you guys to watch and learn!

tomuen

Drop it Tom. You’ve been found out. Just a bottom feeding scammer.

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Posted: 19 December 2013 11:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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VB Meister - 19 December 2013 05:22 AM
roulette income player - 18 December 2013 03:59 PM

Wrong, VBM - sorry but there is no exclusive contract of having long-term edge that only belongs to you and Houston.

Both of your posts in other threads clearly indicate your inconsistency here - that you have an edge when you play long-term.  And, after saying all that neg rubbish about house edge, Gambler’s Fallacy, etc.

In fact - playing “long term” and more bets placed only puts you at higher risk to be hit with the “perfect storm”.

So - sorry but I don’t buy your outrageous claim that you have a positive edge - when you claim all others do not.  Nice try but struck out here.

That is exactly why I mentioned that you are a novice and would not understand. It isn’t just Houston and myself though. Guys like Pertinax, roulette Dealer and a few others who know how to gain an edge.

Against my better judgement I am going to jump into this quagmire amicus curiae.

I do not hear roulette income player claiming he/she has a long-term advantage; rather I hear him/her saying his/her system wins many more times than it loses.  Of course developing such a system can be trivial (e.g. simply bet on more than half of the numbers) or as complicated (e.g. using losing progressions) as desired, but such systems merely delay the inevitable: the catastrophic loss when the perfect storm is encountered. 

That does not make such systems completely worthless out of hand.  A system may provide an overall positive experience despite having an overall negative monetary expectation if the probability of failure; the magnitude of the catastrophe when it occurs; and the comps, playing time, and other non-monetary benefits obtained are acceptable to the player.

OTOH roulette income player is a newcomer to the forum and IMHO is unfamiliar with true advantage play techniques.  The house advantage derives from the mathematical model for a game of random and independent trials.  (When a bet is won the player is paid less than the true odds of winning.  In a manner of speaking, the house extracts a tax on the payoff.)  Consequently, the game cannot be beaten mathematically.

Advantage players attack the game at its foundation: the assumptions that it is a game of random and independent trials.  Using visual ballistics, dealer signatures, and/or wheel biases advantage players derandomize the results of a spin by determining where on the wheel the ball is more likely to land (i.e. what numbers have a better chance of being spun) on each spin.  It should be obvious that if a player can correctly predict what number will be spun (or the opposite: what numbers will not be spun) he/she can use the same mathematical model, but with the revised and non-random distribution of results, to demonstrate a long-term advantage.

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Posted: 19 December 2013 01:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 19 December 2013 11:22 AM

Hi Midnight Skulker,

    I always enjoy reading your post, thanks for jumping in and sharing you thoughts.
Yes, the game cannot be beaten “Mathematically” but that doesn’t mean a player
  can not be a winner! The house edge is a constant and as you put it, “the house
  extracts a tax on the payoff,” but probability isn’t a CERTAINTY and thus doesn’t
  rule out a player can’t win in the long run. It’s definitely an negative expectation
  game and true odds are never paid (except in the game of craps on odds bets),
  but even if a player won a $1,000,000, is he loser because he wasn’t paid true odds?
  In your statement below, not all strategies are completely worthless and yes there
  are other factors that can not be calculated being non-monetary benefits but can
  off set that house edge in other ways.

“That does not make such systems completely worthless out of hand.  A system may provide an overall positive experience despite having an overall negative monetary expectation if the probability of failure; the magnitude of the catastrophe when it occurs; and the comps, playing time, and other non-monetary benefits obtained are acceptable to the player.”

  I have been told on this forum for over 6 months my strategy is complete rubbish
  and I should learn some basic math. The thing is I have had great success and
  I’m not alone. There’s others that play the Ching-A-Ling everyday and yes they
  have suffered losts but they are still having a positive result from a negative
  expectation game. It’s not delusional or made up characters, these gentleman
  PM me regularly. Many used to post directly to the forum but got tired on all the
  negative insults. All I ever asked was to test the strategy for oneself, then you
  can show me the flaws of the strategy, but to constantly just say, “All system
  players are fools” is just a poor excuse.
  Thanks again Midnight Skulker, Louie

 

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