““The idea (not fact) players would be able to predict the outcome of a spin, by making mental calculations which involve comparing the wheel rotation speed vs the velocity of the launch vs a reference point.

The John Solitude Project has extensively tested two visual prediction players in a real environment, both failed to produce a positive result in less than 1.000 spins.

Although the idea may be theoretically valid, the enormous concentration needed by the player, may deam it practically impossible.

It should also be noted the introduction of low profile wheels increased the amount of scatter on impact of the ball on the rotating surface. As such, a visual determination player could guess right where the ball is going to land, but he doesn’t have any control over the amount of scatter that will be produced, depending on the material of the ball and the angle of impact.”“
(http://www.john Solitude.com)

Their are different levels of VB. Advance techniques will sum this up. If one can predict 3 to 5 numbers and base a scatter around them, the win ratio will be off the charts. Now that I have advanced to a basic level of VB, it doesn’t matter how long one session may be. The VB players above could not have been that good at VB to have failed. VB or just about any level of VB is the closest method to long-term. Randomness is an all-time problem. However, using VB will allow one to be just as random. I now have an in-depth vision as to why numbers repeat and, for example: if 5 red hits, then 4 or 6 or any close number hits on the next spin. It makes perfect sense now. if 24 black hits, then 27 or 21 or 1 through 3 hits, this is what should happen unless a bad bounce occurs. Only great VB players now when a terrible bounce occurs, also, their are different levels of bad bounces. Many bad bounces can turn to successful conclusions. How do I know?, because of applying VB for my self and taking notes from players like Jafco, Laurence Scott, Forester,John Solitude and many others, sorry if I did not include your name. In my opinion, the way I look at VB is like finding a Murderer, and my method is the team of investigators. And of course forensic science and this team will find clues that will find the Killer, if not, we will get damn close, close enough to capture , or cause the Killer to surrender. Not all Killers get caught, but almost all of them do….              DSLEEP, 28, Vicksburg, MS

One must have something to go on instead of mere guessing.  If I guess where the killer is, and this was the only method world-wide, how many killers would be caught?  Blues Clues will lead me right two him, or at least in that area(scatter)
Which ever way you chose to play, have fun and good luck..

You may need the luck a little more than us D.
Have fun.

We all rely on luck at some point. What I call a direct hit is when one of three to five numbers I’ve predicted hits.  If not, 4 out of seven times, the ball drops very close to one of the numbers.  Each spin is a new event, therefore, my prediction will also be new.  I wish this new method would fail KLUGMO…  I see something totally different.  Something works, yet I can’t explain why it works.  The crazy thing is, it doesn’t matter when the dealer spins the ball or how fast, if it doesn’t hit one of my numbers, most of the time it will get real close.  As long as it gets close, I win.  As soon as the ball drops, I am ready to place my next wager without thinking.  In my opinion, this new method is no better or worse than anyones way of winning.  And I am no better than anyone here.  This new way for me is more safe, faster, and more reliable for me.  As long as 38 slots remain for the ball to drop into, no one, no machine, no woman, no man, no team, no dealer,no dog, no cat, no method, no system will ever take away the risk factor, never!!  Because of this risk, we all will win, and all will loose.  The skill comes in with discipline, management, and knowing when to stop.  Better yet, knowing what to do in a tough situation.  80% of the time the ball hits one of my numbers on the rotor weather dominant drop or not, the only things that work together trying to stop my 20% advantage are frets that cause bad bounces, spoon shaped pockets, and if the dominant drop completely changes. (more on this later)

6 more days KLUGMO, have fun. Tell me all about it when you get back. If you can, do me a favor. record at least ten numbers in order for me, and I will show you a trick.  Every one here will see.

DSLEEP - 09 September 2010 06:52 PM

Their are different levels of VB. Advance techniques will sum this up. If one can predict 3 to 5 numbers and base a scatter around them, the win ratio will be off the charts. Now that I have advanced to a basic level of VB, it doesn’t matter how long one session may be. The VB players above could not have been that good at VB to have failed. VB or just about any level of VB is the closest method to long-term. Randomness is an all-time problem. However, using VB will allow one to be just as random. I now have an in-depth vision as to why numbers repeat and, for example: if 5 red hits, then 4 or 6 or any close number hits on the next spin. It makes perfect sense now. if 24 black hits, then 27 or 21 or 1 through 3 hits, this is what should happen unless a bad bounce occurs. Only great VB players now when a terrible bounce occurs, also, their are different levels of bad bounces. Many bad bounces can turn to successful conclusions. How do I know?, because of applying VB for my self and taking notes from players like Jafco, Laurence Scott, Forester,John Solitude and many others, sorry if I did not include your name. In my opinion, the way I look at VB is like finding a Murderer, and my method is the team of investigators. And of course forensic science and this team will find clues that will find the Killer, if not, we will get damn close, close enough to capture , or cause the Killer to surrender. Not all Killers get caught, but almost all of them do….              DSLEEP, 28, Vicksburg, MS

i am reading my own thread, and I must apolgise to every one here,  I never ment to make VB sound like it is better than what anyone maybe using here.  In my opinion, i find it more comfortable.

I will do that D Ten in a row.

Have you been hideing this or did you kinda just
start playing with it (VB)

I will let you know about the trip. I will be
doing some experimentation then back to normal play.
Always trying to improve. Should be tired when I get
back because of moving from casino to casino. They
have little like rickshaws they push you around up and down
the boardwalk. Saves a lot of walking.

I just started using VB. Listen KLUGMO, so far if I only play 3 to 5 numbers using VB, and no neighbors, the night can go real cold. What I hate the most is the five numbers I select each spin don’t hit for a while. However, a number next to it hits. For example: 10,11,12,13, [14] ,15,16,17,18… if one of my target numbers is [14], 80% of the time KLUGMO, one of these numbers listed will, I repeat, will hit. now what I could do is scatter around all five numbers I select, but I must avoid wagering too many numbers. This is my accuracy thus far, how can I improve? Should I only bet on the street of my numbers? How can I become more accurate?

VB IS BASED ON THE NUMBERS IN THEIR ARRANGMENT
INSIDE THE BOWL NOT ON THE BOARD. YOU SHOULD BE USEING YOUR
FORMULA TO FIND YOUR # THEN BET 5 ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT NUMBER
AS IT IS IN THE BOWL. THE TABLE IS FOR ME.

I’ve seen Jafco videos over and over again. He is the one who spins the ball and then predicts where it will land. I wonder how he would do if he let someone else spin?. Also, I very rarely see the ball bounce around in Jafco videos like it would at all the tables I’ve been at. In addition, he never does tricks on an American wheel. You’ve been playing for 35 years KLUGMO. On an American wheel, is VB slightly better than your methods, just as good, or not? In my opinion, I get to damn close to my predictions night in and night out not to be doing something right. By the time Jafco predicts numbers, most of the time the dealer would have waved off by then. If Jafco techniques were so efficient, why would he also sell a device?? I select my numbers as soon as the ball is spun. I think my bonus arrived early this year, but don’t want to get my hopes up just yet. I am almost as accurate as Jafco is, but cannot explain why. Lately I’ve been analysing all wheels here, all 5 wheels, same results. I will continue to watch until I find a solution. 3 more weeks of note taking and I will take the test. I will keep you updated. I love advice. What is the best advice you would give me at this point?

D, you’ve heard that beauty is in the eye of the
beholder. The same is true with VB. It is very very easy to get off your game with VB.
But if you have it down there is nothing better. My methods are more casual
and reliable for me. I would suggest you take the slo road on it and test with
small amounts.
Why do you want 10 #s in a row in AC?

There is not one method that is better than all the rest for everyone.
You have to find the method that suits you as an individual. What feels
right for me may not feel right for you. What is important is settling
on the one for you then getting proficient with it. Then and only then
can you enjoy it and let it change your life. You don’t want to spend
your life struggling back and forth with many methods. Find yours and
relish in it.

Great reply KLUGMO.  You record 10 numbers, when you get back, post the first one in order and I will predict the second one with neighbors. Give me the third one and I will predict the fourth one with neighbors, or at least try. I should be right most of the time.  Just a trick I want to show you and everyone here.  I should be as accruate as I am mentally in the casinos here.  We will see..

OK,  I look forward to it.
That should be a very convincing test
one way or the other.

My prediction is 35%

35% overall, right? so out of 100 spins, you are right 35 times. If my math is correct, you are right about 3.5 spins out of 10. This calculation is very reasonable considering money management and your experience level. 50% would be 5 spins out of 10. VB MEISTER said he makes $30,000/ $40,000 a month, and looks to hit 2 of 7 spins if I recall right. Well, [7*70%=4.9], therefore,[7-4.9=2.1]. What other methods (if any) can hook-in five figures every month consistently?

“The John Solitude Project has extensively tested two visual prediction players in a real environment, both failed to produce a positive result in less than 1.000 spins” >>> Why am I not surprised. lol Ken

mistakes, restored, involvement, direction, decline, finalized, permits, progress, society, register, commit, concerning, refreshing, acknowledge, denying, encouraged, nonviolent, political, frowned, disenfranchised, exception, instead, together, complete, limitations, fulfilled, fetched, deserve….All these are bits and pieces of what we call “LIFE”.  Win or loose, happy or sad, we all will share these differences, not all at once, but little at a time.  Roulette is no exception….
                                      DSLEEP, 28, Vicksburg, MS