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How to make a roulette progression…..
Posted: 25 September 2010 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I get many requests asking me to ‘make’ a progression chart for them. It is much easier than you might think. I’ll post my VIEW on how to do so.


Know what your total BR is, what you are willing to LOSE. If your BR is not high, you will not need to know max bet.

When you play, you need to know the min. bet. If you dont know, bring two different charts. Maybe one is for $5 min and the other for a $10 min bet.

What is your time worth? Drive time is the number one issue on this subject.

What NET per win is ‘acceptable’ to you? You should know your NETS at HOME. A guy who drives 3 hours to the casino and a guy who drives 15 minutes to the casino….two different definitions.

How many numbers bet per spin? Make sure ALL your chips can be placed in a quick manner!

Will you be playing on a 0 or a 00 wheel? You should know.

Will you use dollar OR nickel chips? If the number of your bets are going to be high anyways (over 25) you might as well use nickel chips. It is MUCH easier to keep your NEXT bets organized.

Another point in regards to your TIME. Are you skipping spins before betting? Same thing, make sure your NET wins (per hour) are going to be worth your time. What good does $8 per hour do you?

Don’t leave your chart at home, do not try and memorize it. With every loss, you should ALREADY know what the next bet(s) will be. Gross…net…running total. If you are not the best at math (me), also keep with you, how many CHIPS you should have coming to you on a win. EXAMPLE: You were betting $55 on a split. The dealer could careless its $935. You need to KNOW, you will have 187 units coming your way. Usually it will not all be in nickels. Remember, stacks of 20. They probably will also give you some greens or blacks. Too many players RELY on the dealer to pay them correctly, I rely on myself for this.


After every loss, keep track of your running total (at home). Meaning, add up all loses to that point. Look at your next bet. If you get a win, subtract your running total from the GROSS of the win, you now have your net. Look at that net, if its too low (your time) you need to up the bet. Also subtract other losing numbers on that bet. Meaning, lets say you were betting 3 numbers. You get a win and have your gross. Subtract your running total AND the other two bets you lost on. You now have your net.

A sidenote: Lets say you do skip spins before betting. How many skips, then add that to the number of steps in the progression. Lets say you skip 40 spins THEN add 50 for the progression (say we are betting 2 numbers). Thats 90 x 2 = 180. Divide that by 38 (or 37), = 4.7…....I always try and shoot for a 4.5 or higher.

Questions?  Ken

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Posted: 26 September 2010 02:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Progression is a very dangerous neighborhood to hang around in. In my opinion, it takes a powerful method to even consider adding any level of progression. I have tested so many so called “Fire Proof” methods to share the results with you all. For some, the conclusion turned out very astonishing;for most, the sum was simply failure within 1.000 hands(spins). The truth is, just about anything can and will work at first. The million dollar question is, for how long? Keep this in mind people, there are complex levels of progression that can be safe more likely than not; even these levels are dangerous. Also, there is no such thing as a 100% safe method to use at any form of Roulette, why?; the answer is rather simple, UNCERTAINTY!!... Just like life, how can one really know the path of life ahead of time, before it happens, everyday, every hour? If we play long enough, chance will avoid us. The question is, will our method endure until we are engaged again? Advanced methods last longer than others weather we agree or not. (Read my threads) If progression must remain, you must first examine your very own method(s). Of course it works, right? For how long is the question. So, find out. Practice at bodog.com for free. If you can bet the RNG 1.000 spins a day for a week straight, it is a sign of progress. Roulette online is like a pilot training in a flight simulator. If you are having any type of trouble with reaching at least 1.000 spins of success, your domain is matched up with more than one range{not a function}. In other words, I suggest you try something else. So many ways to win short-term, which ever way one may choose, have fun and good luck.
                                                  DSLEEP, 28, Vicksburg, MS

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Posted: 26 September 2010 05:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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“Fire Proof” methods >>> BINGO, now I know who you are. All too easy.  Ken

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(Advantage-play is for suckers) Gambler’s Fallacy is a term coined by unsuccessful gamblers to validate their reasons for losing. Why would I take advice from a person who has dedicated no more than 9 hours to roulette?
He/she is a quitter in my book and I have no use for quitters!! No person has yet convinced me that their way of playing roulette is better than my way…..STILL WAITING

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Posted: 26 September 2010 07:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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LOL….I got to give it to you MR. JJ, you know how to make me laugh. You bring well needed excitement to ROULETTEFORUM. Welcome…

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Posted: 26 September 2010 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Tell me I’m wrong liar. Thats the BEAUTY of being on many boards. After a while, you’ll know (and spot) other posters. Not by name but by style of how they post. This is *NOT* *NOT* the only roulette board you are on. Is it a big deal? Absolutely not but at least I dont PRETEND I’m original. lol Ken

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(Advantage-play is for suckers) Gambler’s Fallacy is a term coined by unsuccessful gamblers to validate their reasons for losing. Why would I take advice from a person who has dedicated no more than 9 hours to roulette?
He/she is a quitter in my book and I have no use for quitters!! No person has yet convinced me that their way of playing roulette is better than my way…..STILL WAITING

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Posted: 27 September 2010 03:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Even the ones here laugh at you.  I’ve been here far longer than you have, and if you want cold hard proof of my success, COME TO MISSISSIPPI if you can afford it.  My goal is $200 a day, why is this small amount so hard to believe?  Better yet, believe what you choose MR.JJ, it is impossible for everyone to agree with everyone.  Anything else MR. JJ?...

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Posted: 27 September 2010 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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“My goal is $200 a day, why is this small amount so hard to believe?” >>> So what, $200? Have fun with that bro. You never answered my question, liar. You are EASILY one of the goofs that constantly starts trouble from other boards. I have it down to four. You act tough on message boards, thats about it.  I start a thread here and you ruin it, dont forget that. The NEXT thread you start, I’ll be there waiting. No one wants you here, you START TROUBLE, you always have. This is your way to vent cause you cant make a buck at the casinos, pity. Sucks to be you.  Ken

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(Advantage-play is for suckers) Gambler’s Fallacy is a term coined by unsuccessful gamblers to validate their reasons for losing. Why would I take advice from a person who has dedicated no more than 9 hours to roulette?
He/she is a quitter in my book and I have no use for quitters!! No person has yet convinced me that their way of playing roulette is better than my way…..STILL WAITING

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Posted: 27 September 2010 10:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I ruined your thread?  How? The only way I ruined your thread is if you were trying to mislead people(I shared my opinion). You had a good point of view on progression, but it is STILL DANGEROUS, so get over it!! You made a 95 on your test; the entire class applauds you, I make a 100, the class cheers louder for me, and you sit there and cry? Is this what this is about MR. JJ?  you really need to stop it. Let the past go soft guy. Listen MR. JJ, I wasn’t trying to embarrass you,...? Anyway, In my opinion, we should all stay away from progression, it’s too dangerous and we all no why. Limit progression if it just cannot be avoided, limit it to where it makes you comfortable.

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Posted: 28 September 2010 01:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Wrong answer rookie. Are progressions the answer to ALL styles of betting in roulette? Heck no. Some progressions (depending on the method) are the BEST way to achieve some damn nice winning days/weeks. Flat betting is second. Third, would be trend betting. AP (also known as gamblers fallacy) in any form should be avoided, 100% of the time!!  Ken

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Posted: 28 September 2010 11:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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You used the word some”; sometimes; here and there; maybe, maybe not. In my opinion, Consistency is far more important than nice amounts sometimes. Sometimes is a trap; it will keep a player coming back to reach that goal he or she sometimes win. Reasonable goals are best, that way, when you loose, it isn’t no where near as bad as it could have been. I’d rather win $20 a thousand times instead of $2000 sometimes. Just my opinion for the ones that take things far too personal.

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Posted: 21 September 2011 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Hey, sorry to interrupt. This is Brian. I have been reading your posts and have to say, the word “progression” has been coined a nasty phrase in the gambling world. I have a method I call my weekly progressive strategys, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the traditional progressive betting of the martingale whatsoever. My method entails a specific betting pattern over a period of time, usually a week or two…it it designed to multiply a small starting bankroll many times over and is one way I will grow a bankroll before begining play with any other strategy. It allows you to play with the casinos money 85% of the time. If you are interested in this, or any of my advantage play techniques and unique betting strategies, I invite you to visit my website at http://www.beatthewheel.webs.com. What you will find there will no doubt be the the best strategies available anywhere and at the best price. I also offer unlimited customer support and 24/7 personal coaching. You can read a review of my site recently posted by one of my newest customers on the roulette systems sections. The thread is labeled brians ultimate roulette system. Thank you for your time, and good luck.—-Brian.

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Posted: 22 September 2011 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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There is nothing wrong with progressions AS LONG AS you have an advantage over the house. For instance. If you play an advantage technique and your bet selections are accurate and you have an edge (or otherwise put, if you flatbet you should come out ahead anyway) then progressions are ok.

If you bet blindly, progressions are fatal. Most systems sold on the net boldly states “Win 97,5% of your bets with our syste!” Which is correct because they use progressions. The problem with that is that when the 2,5% loosing comes in and the progression looses right through, you will loose whatever you have won and more.

In this case progression is just an eyeblind.

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Posted: 22 September 2011 05:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Traditional progressive betting is the worst way to bet in my opinion…..even if you are using AP techniques, you just dont leave yourself very much room for error when doing this because you are betting more to win less…you dont ever want to be playing catch up or chasing your money. If you have a solid advantage over the house, better to let the odds pan out over a series of playing time….you should come out ahead at the end of the day. The progressive system I am speaking of when I talk about my weekly progressive is nothing like a martingale progression. The name progression is just one I choose to use to describe my bets changing as my bankroll grows, and progressing throughout the coarse of the week. After the first 2-3 days, depending on how long the sessions are, the you should be playing with the casinos money. Profits are modest at first, but will grow throughout the coarse of the progression. Risk is very low which is why having to restart this system should something go wrong or your predictions miss is not a problem. Typically, 2-3 weeks is the average amount of time it takes to complete one “level” of the progression, at which time your bankroll should have quadroupled, and the longer you choose to play, the faster your profits will compound and the less you will actually have to play. Its hard to explain without actually saying what the strategy is, but it is far from a double up to catch up scenario. I dont want to be misleading with the name “progression”, this is a four letter word in the gamling world.—-Brian

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Posted: 23 September 2011 02:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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roulettedealer - 22 September 2011 05:43 PM

Traditional progressive betting is the worst way to bet in my opinion…..even if you are using AP techniques, you just dont leave yourself very much room for error when doing this because you are betting more to win less…you dont ever want to be playing catch up or chasing your money. If you have a solid advantage over the house, better to let the odds pan out over a series of playing time….you should come out ahead at the end of the day. The progressive system I am speaking of when I talk about my weekly progressive is nothing like a martingale progression. The name progression is just one I choose to use to describe my bets changing as my bankroll grows, and progressing throughout the coarse of the week. After the first 2-3 days, depending on how long the sessions are, the you should be playing with the casinos money. Profits are modest at first, but will grow throughout the coarse of the progression. Risk is very low which is why having to restart this system should something go wrong or your predictions miss is not a problem. Typically, 2-3 weeks is the average amount of time it takes to complete one “level” of the progression, at which time your bankroll should have quadroupled, and the longer you choose to play, the faster your profits will compound and the less you will actually have to play. Its hard to explain without actually saying what the strategy is, but it is far from a double up to catch up scenario. I dont want to be misleading with the name “progression”, this is a four letter word in the gamling world.—-Brian

I agree Martengale is suicide even if you have the edge. I was more referring to bias and something similar to an Attilla progression.

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Posted: 28 September 2011 12:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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roulettedealer - 22 September 2011 05:43 PM

The progressive system I am speaking of when I talk about my weekly progressive is nothing like a martingale progression. The name progression is just one I choose to use to describe my bets changing as my bankroll grows, and progressing throughout the coarse of the week.

I have assumed, and I think you just confirmed, that by “progression” you mean “losing progression”, a series in which bets are increased after a loss and lowered to some minimum after a win (or after a series completes).  I happen to be a big fan of winning progressions, where bets are increased after a win and reset to minimum after a loss, so it took me a minute to figure out what you meant.

Question: Does your progression use the Kelly betting criterion (i.e. bet a percentage of your bankroll equal to your advantage)?

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