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A few things on my mind about this site
Posted: 20 March 2014 06:18 PM   [ Ignore ]
Jacob
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Hi,
Some of yesterday’s posts on this site have come to my attention surrounding toumen/pxbots, and the general direction of this site is going that I think warrants a response:


1) Toumen coming into hijack threads to promote his bot is not cool. That’s spam to me, and I do ban spammers. If he or anyone else keeps intentionally hijacking threads like that, you guys need to use the report function. Nobody did.


2) If you aren’t reporting bad behavior you see, it is safe to assume I probably don’t know about it. I don’t have the time or desire to read every post made on this site.


3) Pxbots was given a separate section to avoid the spill over into the other sections, it has nothing to do with me “condoning” him. Nobody wants to read Chingy vs Toumen in every damn thread, or see pxbots threads carpet bomb the forum so you cant find anything else in the other sections.


4) I am open to the idea that bots can be used to exploit a weak RNG and beat an online casino, or simply be used as a tool to execute a betting strategy. I think there is a place for those sorts of discussions here, which was why he was allowed to post here to begin with.


5)I know that I would never buy anything from Toumen, but even at this point I’m not 100% sure he is a scammer—there are still a few questions in my mind. I haven’t used his bot, nor do I have a clue how it is coded to work, so I’m pretty ignorant on that front. I’m also wondering who exactly is he defrauding? Not to say they don’t exist, but were are all the posts from his pissed off customers that have actually used his program? Can you point me to them? As far as I can tell, those most vocal in their warnings haven’t given Toumen a dime.


6) As sick as I’m sure it sounds to some of you, this site was much less active before Toumen showed up. His bot continues to bring people to this site interested in roulette, and many of them end up joining and contributing good content to the other sections of the site.  We don’t owe him anything for that, but in the back of my mind I wonder if our small group of active posters large enough now to keep the board moving without that added search traffic and drama?


So that is where my head has been. These are the options I am currently evaluating.

- Restrict Toumen’s account so he can only post in the pxbots section

- Ask Toumen to leave voluntarily, see what happens

- Ban Toumen, see what happens

- Switch to a moderated-style community with clear rules that would presumably kick Toumen and other salesmen out. I have ideological issues with this that could probably be overcome, but finding the right person/team I can trust to treat everyone fairly here isn’t an easy task. Who would you choose?
- Keep this community open to any and all roulette-related discussions. Maintain the status quo.

 

Got any other ideas? What would you do?

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Posted: 20 March 2014 06:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hi Jacob , firstly let me say you have always been great to me and my thread for which i thankyou winkand other than a few members in the past like atiki who you sorted out who caused a lot of probs you had never seen me acting badly until chingy showed up who from the start has acted in a war like manor with his chumps! Even though initaly i did not retaliate .Basically i could not let him constantly get away with his attacks!! I would be happy to stay on my side of the fence if he stays on his. Theres plenty of space for everyone here and i will refrain from making anymore bad comments and report any attacks which are not fair on me if you can at least nip these in the bud before they get out of hand!

Cheers

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Posted: 21 March 2014 12:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Good day Jacob.

Tom is a very clever scammer. He does not sell his bots or sell a specific holy grail. It is always a hg in progress…. His videos are bs and is no different than the other scammer’s vids out there presumably showing huge profits. So he hooks guys with lies and deceit and then does not sell anything to them but asks a monthly subscription fee…. most probably other costs too. So. these guys join him and end up testing all his newer and newer versions and they pay for it….. He talks about an algorythm that beats rng. That is bs. He cannot say why his method beats rng and roulette because it doesn’t. He relies on huge rng spreads to accomodate a 21 step progression (among others) One could use any method with thatbprogression and have same results. He keeps blinding people though with his vids showing quick and aggressive betting (with no bot) and huge profits but was it in real play? Was it in fun play? Does he show all vids or selective ones? The latter I am very sure of.

Personally I don’t care if you let him go or stay. If he stays we must be allowed to warn newbies against such possible dangers.

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Posted: 21 March 2014 03:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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It is good to finally know your opinion, Jacob.  Truth is if you read the posts no one has been winning with his bot, they have been
using sponsor links and also paying him for “rental” fees even after the bot has seemingly failed every test.  In spite of these never
ending failures, Amriks posts and “videos” suggest otherwise.  You may not be so sure, but it is not so easy to make 80,000 units
using a method based on a ridiculous step progression in so short a time.  Such things often give very small wins till a big loss.  In
fact this is what it was supposedly doing till amrik wished others to give him money at which point it become his “personal cashpoint”
I think he called it?  You may be in doubt, but if you read enough of the thread it leaves little doubt in all honesty.

However I digress.  Personally, like VB meister, I do not care about tomuen.  All that really annoys me is that he is trying to get to
other peoples money through this forum and it is allowed.  Again, if he had a bot making thousands in a matter of minutes, I do not
think he will be interested in how much traffic you have coming to your site, or have time to be on it 24/7 as he currently seems to.
So there must be another motive.  After all, he spends more time on this site then he does working or relaxing.  Is it not obvious that
this site offers him a medium to a possible cash pot that his bot simple cannot supply him?

Let him promote his bot, look for testers and say what he wants, you afford it to us so it should be applied to tomuen also.  But why
should he, or anybody else seek financial gain on yours or any forum by using it as an advertising platform.  The PX thread may bring
traffic, but there seems to be a drastic drop of quality for the sake of quantity.  Just look how tomuen has previously invaded many
non relevant topics to promote his bots wins, only for the bot to fail in the hands of his testers, at which point he resides mainly in
his thread till another good run for his progression flares up and he once again starts to think he can sell it for money.  Its a circle,
one that is pretty obvious and achived on this forum for anyone to read if they have a few weeks spare.

He simply wants to sell a bot because it is the only way the bot will make him a reasonable amount of cash past a huge dose of luck.
If he used like minded people and made his bot work he would not need their money.  If he did this, failed as he has and said, “well,
thanks guys for your help but the truth is we have not found anything that works, but you are happy to join me further in the pursuit
of our dreams if you want”, then fair enough.  Problem is, read his posts and all he wants is peoples money….......!!!!!!!!!!?????????

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Posted: 21 March 2014 04:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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How much of this perception that I or the forum am endorsing pxbots stems from the fact he is the only one with a separate section?

If I were to create a new “Marketplace” section for all the commercial postings on this site and moved the pxbots stuff there, would that change anyone’s opinion whether he should be allowed to continue? Should I do this anyways?

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Posted: 21 March 2014 04:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Jacob - 21 March 2014 04:28 AM

How much of this perception that I or the forum am endorsing pxbots stems from the fact he is the only one with a separate section?

If I were to create a new “Marketplace” section for all the commercial postings on this site and moved the pxbots stuff there, would that change anyone’s opinion whether he should be allowed to continue? Should I do this anyways?

i cannot speak for anyone else, only myself.  My view point on this is merely based on his chasing other peoples money, I
would be happy to leave amrik to it if he did not pursue anybody for money or methods of financial gain, he will never need
it if he achieves his goal so why is it so important to him if he has what he claims?

I may have unfairly judged your stand on this in the past, Jacob.  However I am sure my impression of amrik can no longer
be changed because it is based on his past actions, and that speaks in more volume then words.

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Posted: 21 March 2014 05:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Hello to all of you

I can only say about Tomuen that he never asked for money since June that I joined his team. And he told me that only if the bot works and is stable with profits…then he will consider charging. Till now he is very good, reliable and friendly with me without asking something. Just testing. That’s all.

I don’t know if it will work. I just know that he is showing me a way to use px and betting that it’s going very well. It’s very soon of course….we’ll see.

I think the best thing to do is for everyone to stick to his bot-system and stop blamming to each other. We all want to beat the casino.

And I just think we should join forces and not be in a fight.

That’s my opinion.

Sorry if my English are not good.

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Posted: 21 March 2014 05:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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ptzelepis - 21 March 2014 05:22 AM

Hello to all of you

I can only say about Tomuen that he never asked for money since June that I joined his team. And he told me that only if the bot works and is stable with profits…then he will consider charging. Till now he is very good, reliable and friendly with me without asking something. Just testing. That’s all.

I don’t know if it will work. I just know that he is showing me a way to use px and betting that it’s going very well. It’s very soon of course….we’ll see.

I think the best thing to do is for everyone to stick to his bot-system and stop blamming to each other. We all want to beat the casino.

And I just think we should join forces and not be in a fight.

That’s my opinion.

Sorry if my English are not good.

Not so long ago, he posted that he had 2 paying new members and that he was just waiting for the money to clear.
Before that he was pushing users of his bot to only use a sponser link provided by himself.  I am glad to hear so far
you have not been subjected to such things, but the only thing above you really point out is that after so many years
he has not had a working bot, but has tried to make money from it non the less.

Good luck with your latest endeavour, if you are not familiar with the math to test such things, all I suggest is that
you proceed with caution!

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Posted: 21 March 2014 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Thanks

That is what I’ll do. And I hope that everything will work fine.

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Posted: 21 March 2014 08:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Good morning to all of you

I decided to write this post because I believe there is a lot of bad will against Tom(uen). I have red hundreds of lines written in texts, all of them attacking Tom, saying things that I have no perception of them at all and my relationship with Tom goes back to March 2013. They talk about videos that he has made reporting his gains and saying that those videos are fake. I not an expert on frauds or scams (and I believe most of the people who wrote these negative texts aren’t also) but I can see on those videos that he is playing real money and if he wins a lot is why he risks a lot but he is using his system (PX) to help him most of the times. What I can say about Tom is that he has a passionate nature that leads him to try flying high.
In all that time we have this relationship, he never asked me for money whatsoever and I know he had spent, and still does, a lot of money to improve his PX project.
Many of the attacks he received and which naturally responded were more of personal nature then ethical. I understand the possibility of finding here grown up people obsessed in winning money in an easy way and those people, despite being adults, need some protection. But I don’t believe this is the way to protect them, with personal offenses and and insults.
For the nature of his work I believe Tom should have here a proper space and conversely he was to be restricted to this space.

carlosnog

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Posted: 21 March 2014 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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carlosnog - 21 March 2014 08:04 AM

Good morning to all of you

I decided to write this post because I believe there is a lot of bad will against Tom(uen). I have red hundreds of lines written in texts, all of them attacking Tom, saying things that I have no perception of them at all and my relationship with Tom goes back to March 2013. They talk about videos that he has made reporting his gains and saying that those videos are fake. I not an expert on frauds or scams (and I believe most of the people who wrote these negative texts aren’t also) but I can see on those videos that he is playing real money and if he wins a lot is why he risks a lot but he is using his system (PX) to help him most of the times. What I can say about Tom is that he has a passionate nature that leads him to try flying high.
In all that time we have this relationship, he never asked me for money whatsoever and I know he had spent, and still does, a lot of money to improve his PX project.
Many of the attacks he received and which naturally responded were more of personal nature then ethical. I understand the possibility of finding here grown up people obsessed in winning money in an easy way and those people, despite being adults, need some protection. But I don’t believe this is the way to protect them, with personal offenses and and insults.
For the nature of his work I believe Tom should have here a proper space and conversely he was to be restricted to this space.

carlosnog

He should have his own space here but unfortunately there are no padded rooms here :)

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Posted: 21 March 2014 12:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Jacob,
          Let the proof speak for itself! I have been in
          in business many years, is this the manner in
          which a worldwide corporation like William Hill
          Casinos would issue a company check? What
          online casino in the “WORLD” issues an account
          withdrawal check the same day? Look at the
          the date of issuance of the check and what
          today’s date is. Is the Postal Service in the UK
          that good to deliver a check in a matter of a
          few hours? These are the kinds of things I have
          bought to the attention of this forum countless
          times. This man Amrik has just shown you the
          same contempt as he has with other members of
          this forum, by trying to pass off a picture of a
          check he supposed received today from William
          Hill Casino which is a clear insult to anyone with
          a brain. Now Jacob, tell me how it’s feels to be
          insulted by this man thinking your the “MORON.”
          Because in so many ways, that’s exactly what
          he thinks of you by posting this outrageous
          fraud of a check! So do you still think this man
          should have such an honored place on YOUR
          forum? Thank You, Louie?Chingy

Posted: 21 March 2014 10:47 AM   [ Report ]  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7989 ] 
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Sorry I’m unable to upload the William Hill “check”
but you can go to Amrik post directly yourself and
see it!

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Posted: 21 March 2014 12:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Chingy711 - 21 March 2014 12:25 PM

Jacob,
          Let the proof speak for itself! I have been in
          in business many years, is this the manner in
          which a worldwide corporation like William Hill
          Casinos would issue a company check? What
          online casino in the “WORLD” issues an account
          withdrawal check the same day? Look at the
          the date of issuance of the check and what
          today’s date is. Is the Postal Service in the UK
          that good to deliver a check in a matter of a
          few hours? These are the kinds of things I have
          bought to the attention of this forum countless
          times. This man Amrik has just shown you the
          same contempt as he has with other members of
          this forum, by trying to pass off a picture of a
          check he supposed received today from William
          Hill Casino which is a clear insult to anyone with
          a brain. Now Jacob, tell me how it’s feels to be
          insulted by this man thinking your the “MORON.”
          Because in so many ways, that’s exactly what
          he thinks of you by posting this outrageous
          fraud of a check! So do you still think this man
          should have such an honored place on YOUR
          forum? Thank You, Louie?Chingy

Posted: 21 March 2014 10:47 AM   [ Report ]  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7989 ] 
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tom

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Sorry I’m unable to upload the William Hill “check”
but you can go to Amrik post directly yourself and
see it!

Chingy.  I have heard that online winnings can be collected in person from a william hill betting shop.  How this
transaction is done I am not sure but it is possible the cheque is genuine and maybe someone can add to this
process.  However, how does this money prove any winnings?  It could have been a deposit cashed out in this
way, or a lucky win after a £3505 loss….?

What you seem to have missed in all of this is his posts just before the picture.  They do not add up to the amount
he cashed out?  It makes very little sense as with many other things.

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Posted: 21 March 2014 12:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Pertinax - 21 March 2014 12:50 PM
Chingy711 - 21 March 2014 12:25 PM

Jacob,
          Let the proof speak for itself! I have been in
          in business many years, is this the manner in
          which a worldwide corporation like William Hill
          Casinos would issue a company check? What
          online casino in the “WORLD” issues an account
          withdrawal check the same day? Look at the
          the date of issuance of the check and what
          today’s date is. Is the Postal Service in the UK
          that good to deliver a check in a matter of a
          few hours? These are the kinds of things I have
          bought to the attention of this forum countless
          times. This man Amrik has just shown you the
          same contempt as he has with other members of
          this forum, by trying to pass off a picture of a
          check he supposed received today from William
          Hill Casino which is a clear insult to anyone with
          a brain. Now Jacob, tell me how it’s feels to be
          insulted by this man thinking your the “MORON.”
          Because in so many ways, that’s exactly what
          he thinks of you by posting this outrageous
          fraud of a check! So do you still think this man
          should have such an honored place on YOUR
          forum? Thank You, Louie?Chingy

Posted: 21 March 2014 10:47 AM   [ Report ]  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7989 ] 
tomuen
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my wages for today thanks to williamhill plus £5000 yesterday


tom

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Sorry I’m unable to upload the William Hill “check”
but you can go to Amrik post directly yourself and
see it!

Chingy.  I have heard that online winnings can be collected in person from a william hill betting shop.  How this
transaction is done I am not sure but it is possible the cheque is genuine and maybe someone can add to this
process.  However, how does this money prove any winnings?  It could have been a deposit cashed out in this
way, or a lucky win after a £3505 loss….?

What you seem to have missed in all of this is his posts just before the picture.  They do not add up to the amount
he cashed out?  It makes very little sense as with many other things.


Pertinax,

    I just spoke with William Hill Casino exeucutive and sent a picture of the check!
    This is a down right FRAUD!!!!! ENOUGH!!!!!

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Posted: 21 March 2014 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Chingy711 - 21 March 2014 12:56 PM
Pertinax - 21 March 2014 12:50 PM
Chingy711 - 21 March 2014 12:25 PM

Jacob,
          Let the proof speak for itself! I have been in
          in business many years, is this the manner in
          which a worldwide corporation like William Hill
          Casinos would issue a company check? What
          online casino in the “WORLD” issues an account
          withdrawal check the same day? Look at the
          the date of issuance of the check and what
          today’s date is. Is the Postal Service in the UK
          that good to deliver a check in a matter of a
          few hours? These are the kinds of things I have
          bought to the attention of this forum countless
          times. This man Amrik has just shown you the
          same contempt as he has with other members of
          this forum, by trying to pass off a picture of a
          check he supposed received today from William
          Hill Casino which is a clear insult to anyone with
          a brain. Now Jacob, tell me how it’s feels to be
          insulted by this man thinking your the “MORON.”
          Because in so many ways, that’s exactly what
          he thinks of you by posting this outrageous
          fraud of a check! So do you still think this man
          should have such an honored place on YOUR
          forum? Thank You, Louie?Chingy

Posted: 21 March 2014 10:47 AM   [ Report ]  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7989 ] 
tomuen
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Total Posts:  4299
Joined 2011-10-26

 

 

my wages for today thanks to williamhill plus £5000 yesterday


tom

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Sorry I’m unable to upload the William Hill “check”
but you can go to Amrik post directly yourself and
see it!

Chingy.  I have heard that online winnings can be collected in person from a william hill betting shop.  How this
transaction is done I am not sure but it is possible the cheque is genuine and maybe someone can add to this
process.  However, how does this money prove any winnings?  It could have been a deposit cashed out in this
way, or a lucky win after a £3505 loss….?

What you seem to have missed in all of this is his posts just before the picture.  They do not add up to the amount
he cashed out?  It makes very little sense as with many other things.


Pertinax,

    I just spoke with William Hill Casino exeucutive and sent a picture of the check!
    This is a down right FRAUD!!!!! ENOUGH!!!!!

I have no reason to believe this anymore then I do amrik.  Chingy, calm down a little.  Reread my post then look at amriks
just before he posted the picture.  The total sum of the cheque does not add up to what he claimed he was cashing out, and
also, one minute he has to go to work and will do a video later, then he does a video?  Then has to go to work but then is
going down to obtain a cheque from a shop?

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Posted: 21 March 2014 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Pertinax - 21 March 2014 01:02 PM
Chingy711 - 21 March 2014 12:56 PM
Pertinax - 21 March 2014 12:50 PM
Chingy711 - 21 March 2014 12:25 PM

Jacob,
          Let the proof speak for itself! I have been in
          in business many years, is this the manner in
          which a worldwide corporation like William Hill
          Casinos would issue a company check? What
          online casino in the “WORLD” issues an account
          withdrawal check the same day? Look at the
          the date of issuance of the check and what
          today’s date is. Is the Postal Service in the UK
          that good to deliver a check in a matter of a
          few hours? These are the kinds of things I have
          bought to the attention of this forum countless
          times. This man Amrik has just shown you the
          same contempt as he has with other members of
          this forum, by trying to pass off a picture of a
          check he supposed received today from William
          Hill Casino which is a clear insult to anyone with
          a brain. Now Jacob, tell me how it’s feels to be
          insulted by this man thinking your the “MORON.”
          Because in so many ways, that’s exactly what
          he thinks of you by posting this outrageous
          fraud of a check! So do you still think this man
          should have such an honored place on YOUR
          forum? Thank You, Louie?Chingy

Posted: 21 March 2014 10:47 AM   [ Report ]  [ Ignore ]  [ # 7989 ] 
tomuen
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Total Posts:  4299
Joined 2011-10-26

 

 

my wages for today thanks to williamhill plus £5000 yesterday


tom

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Sorry I’m unable to upload the William Hill “check”
but you can go to Amrik post directly yourself and
see it!

Chingy.  I have heard that online winnings can be collected in person from a william hill betting shop.  How this
transaction is done I am not sure but it is possible the cheque is genuine and maybe someone can add to this
process.  However, how does this money prove any winnings?  It could have been a deposit cashed out in this
way, or a lucky win after a £3505 loss….?

What you seem to have missed in all of this is his posts just before the picture.  They do not add up to the amount
he cashed out?  It makes very little sense as with many other things.


Pertinax,

    I just spoke with William Hill Casino exeucutive and sent a picture of the check!
    This is a down right FRAUD!!!!! ENOUGH!!!!!

I have no reason to believe this anymore then I do amrik.  Chingy, calm down a little.  Reread my post then look at amriks
just before he posted the picture.  The total sum of the cheque does not add up to what he claimed he was cashing out, and
also, one minute he has to go to work and will do a video later, then he does a video?  Then has to go to work but then is
going down to obtain a cheque from a shop?


the reason it doesn’t add up is becuase ive £1000 in cash for tonights fun and beer wink


also it takes 30 minutes to get paid form williamhill as they are great plus have local shops everywhere!!  wink  I hope this helps you guys!

tom

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