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Posted: 02 June 2014 12:55 PM   [ Ignore ]
hitemhard
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Since joining this site a week ago I am surprised that a forum that boasts a membership of 135,925 members have very few or should I say almost none, posting new threads.
Also the amount of active members online at any one time is usually in single figures, sometimes only 1 (MYSELF), Also most replies to any threads posted are usually negative
and are always from the same small group of whingers.( YES, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE).
Has it crossed your mind that it is your stupid comments and attitudes that has driven the members of your forum away.
You run around like headless chickens in ever decreasing circles.
Hopefully as the circles become smaller you will vanish up your own backsides, which you spend so much time talking out of.
You have certainly driven me on to another forum, as I suspect you have with many previous members.
Also when you place a new thread on the forum, how about using the spell check facility that is available, or has your intelligence level yet to reach that point.

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Posted: 02 June 2014 06:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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hitemhard - 02 June 2014 12:55 PM

Since joining this site a week ago I am surprised that a forum that boasts a membership of 135,925 members have very few or should I say almost none, posting new threads.
Also the amount of active members online at any one time is usually in single figures, sometimes only 1 (MYSELF), Also most replies to any threads posted are usually negative
and are always from the same small group of whingers.( YES, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE).
Has it crossed your mind that it is your stupid comments and attitudes that has driven the members of your forum away.
You run around like headless chickens in ever decreasing circles.
Hopefully as the circles become smaller you will vanish up your own backsides, which you spend so much time talking out of.
You have certainly driven me on to another forum, as I suspect you have with many previous members.
Also when you place a new thread on the forum, how about using the spell check facility that is available, or has your intelligence level yet to reach that point.

Wow. TELL them. I agree with your statement.
A roulette forum should be a place where roulette players can exchange ideas, discuss systems and betting strategies, and most of, all members should believe that the roulette can be won.
Because it is possible to make a living out of playing roulette, and I’m sure some players do.
Someone who thinks that roulette can not be won, should not be an active member of a roulette forum. Instead they stand on guard, watching for someone to come up with a system or idea, and immediately they start shooting at him. Nothing wrong with criticizing a system on its merits, but to generally post time after time that roulette cannot be won, doesn’t do service to a forum. In fact it is the type of behavior that creates doubts in players’ minds, when the last thing they need is for someone to instill doubts on their mind.
Can you imagine a doctor’s forum when some doctor/members keep on insisting that nothing can be cured? And everyone who gets sick is doomed to die?
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Posted: 02 June 2014 07:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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palestis - 02 June 2014 06:43 PM
hitemhard - 02 June 2014 12:55 PM

Since joining this site a week ago I am surprised that a forum that boasts a membership of 135,925 members have very few or should I say almost none, posting new threads.
Also the amount of active members online at any one time is usually in single figures, sometimes only 1 (MYSELF), Also most replies to any threads posted are usually negative
and are always from the same small group of whingers.( YES, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE).
Has it crossed your mind that it is your stupid comments and attitudes that has driven the members of your forum away.
You run around like headless chickens in ever decreasing circles.
Hopefully as the circles become smaller you will vanish up your own backsides, which you spend so much time talking out of.
You have certainly driven me on to another forum, as I suspect you have with many previous members.
Also when you place a new thread on the forum, how about using the spell check facility that is available, or has your intelligence level yet to reach that point.

Wow. TELL them. I agree with your statement.
A roulette forum should be a place where roulette players can exchange ideas, discuss systems and betting strategies, and most of, all members should believe that the roulette can be won.
Because it is possible to make a living out of playing roulette, and I’m sure some players do.
Someone who thinks that roulette can not be won, should not be an active member of a roulette forum. Instead they stand on guard, watching for someone to come up with a system or idea, and immediately they start shooting at him. Nothing wrong with criticizing a system on its merits, but to generally post time after time that roulette cannot be won, doesn’t do service to a forum. In fact it is the type of behavior that creates doubts in players’ minds, when the last thing they need is for someone to instill doubts on their mind.
Can you imagine a doctor’s forum when some doctor/members keep on insisting that nothing can be cured? And everyone who gets sick is doomed to die?
Palestis

About time someone said this “members should believe that the roulette can be won. “

I don’t merely believe, that’s not good enough. I am one of those people who win regularly. Im not these nickle and dime punters on online casino, Im talking making thousands in a week and approaching the 6 figure mark as a goal. I put up big stakes per bet and I do only flat bets. If you cannot or dare not do this like I do, then all the TALK is worth only as talk to muse about, nothing more. Ive shared my winning system on RouletteForum.cc and if people want me to post here I’ll start a thread here. I hope Ive inspired you and rekindled your believe/confidence with this post.

I see a lot of discussions or debates as you see it which degenerate into quarrels with cynicism, sarcasm and name calling as childish. We have our own views about matters, its ok to express them in agreement or disagreement which is very good, healthy and beneficial to the forummers, but leave it at that and not force the other party to change their views or discredit them. People will read the the discussion/debate and make up their own minds, we all have different opinions and believes about things but do not impose on others. There many ways to skin the cat, ALL punters are standing on the same opposite side against the casino. We only expose and discredit spammers and scammers. My 2cts views.

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Posted: 02 June 2014 09:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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About time someone said this “members should believe that the roulette can be won. “

I don’t merely believe, that’s not good enough. I am one of those people who win regularly. Im not these nickle and dime punters on online casino, Im talking making thousands in a week and approaching the 6 figure mark as a goal. I put up big stakes per bet and I do only flat bets. If you cannot or dare not do this like I do, then all the TALK is worth only as talk to muse about, nothing more. Ive shared my winning system on RouletteForum.cc and if people want me to post here I’ll start a thread here. I hope Ive inspired you and rekindled your believe/confidence with this post.

It looks like the giant is waking up. THESE ARE THE KIND OF TALKS I’D LIKE TO HEAR. Testimonies, that some players are winning and they are winning consistently. (more than they sometimes lose).
Roulette is not unbeatable. We are lucky that it is relatively easy to beat. As long as you know what you are doing. Compared to lottery where the odds are so small, you can play all your life and never win.
The greatest advantage in roulette is that you can wait and wait, and bet only when you know the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor. How do you know? Well, that’s what a good system is all about. Knowing when you are in great advantage, and a lousy HOUSE EDGE can’t do shit to stop you. And never play in an online casino. Whether live dealer or RNG. It’s an insult to our intelligence to allow online rip offs offer us a lolly pop in the form of bonuses and let us win in a controlled manner, only to find out that at the end everyone is losing.
Can you point me to your posts about your system(s)?
I am always open to new system/ideas, and the mission of any roulette forum is to discuss and argue about systems and betting strategies, so that every body can learn something from it to improve his system or discover a new system. It’s ok to criticize a system negatively, but it’s not ok to be negative about the entire roulette winning business.


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Posted: 03 June 2014 03:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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“Lucky 34” under Bet selection

Edit : We can discuss here if you want to.

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Posted: 03 June 2014 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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palestis - 02 June 2014 06:43 PM
hitemhard - 02 June 2014 12:55 PM

Since joining this site a week ago I am surprised that a forum that boasts a membership of 135,925 members have very few or should I say almost none, posting new threads.
Also the amount of active members online at any one time is usually in single figures, sometimes only 1 (MYSELF), Also most replies to any threads posted are usually negative
and are always from the same small group of whingers.( YES, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE).
Has it crossed your mind that it is your stupid comments and attitudes that has driven the members of your forum away.
You run around like headless chickens in ever decreasing circles.
Hopefully as the circles become smaller you will vanish up your own backsides, which you spend so much time talking out of.
You have certainly driven me on to another forum, as I suspect you have with many previous members.

Wow. TELL them. I agree with your statement.
A roulette forum should be a place where roulette players can exchange ideas, discuss systems and betting strategies, and most of, all members should believe that the roulette can be won.
Because it is possible to make a living out of playing roulette, and I’m sure some players do.
Someone who thinks that roulette can not be won, should not be an active member of a roulette forum. Instead they stand on guard, watching for someone to come up with a system or idea, and immediately they start shooting at him. Nothing wrong with criticizing a system on its merits, but to generally post time after time that roulette cannot be won, doesn’t do service to a forum. In fact it is the type of behavior that creates doubts in players’ minds, when the last thing they need is for someone to instill doubts on their mind.

Really?  I offer in refutation Project X.  Early on I and other “whingers” questioned the validity of the project’s reported success.  In particular I questioned if the program was making winning bets more frequently than random guessing, or if success was due solely to the choice of a relatively small win goal combined with a conservative up-as-you-lose betting progression and was therefore success that could not be expected to continue indefinitely.  We were shouted down and told to keep our negative comments out of such a hopeful thread.

Over two years later we learned that the project had failed, and that some of its followers had lost a significant amount of money, not to mention the subscription fees they had paid to the project’s developer.  So who was talking out of which end, Hitem?  The sword of stupid comments and attitudes cuts both ways, driving from the forum both the lemmings who rush to any cliff that promises wealth beyond measure and the “whingers” who try to save them from themselves.

That said I do not support the “shoot on sight” rule of engagement some of my ilk employ.  Probability theory says that if the game consists of a series of random and independent trials then the player is expected to lose regardless of what system/strategy/method/style he/she uses.  Hence I look with jaundiced eye at any system/strategy/method/style that claims to “beat the game”, but IMHO that does not make them all a target of ridicule.  I think it is important for a player to know both sides of a system/etc. before using it, not just the positive one.  Sorry, but that usually means throwing a stone or two at it.

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Posted: 03 June 2014 08:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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That said I do not support the “shoot on sight” rule of engagement some of my ilk employ.  Probability theory says that if the game consists of a series of random and independent trials then the player is expected to lose regardless of what system/strategy/method/style he/she uses.  Hence I look with jaundiced eye at any system/strategy/method/style that claims to “beat the game”, but IMHO that does not make them all a target of ridicule.  I think it is important for a player to know both sides of a system/etc. before using it, not just the positive one.  Sorry, but that usually means throwing a stone or two at it.

Yes textbook probability says that the game is one of independent trials and events, in roulette spinning. HOW ABOUT INDEPENDENT TRIALS AND EVENTS FROM THE PLAYER’S POINT OF YOU. The roulette might spin independently, but the player also has the freedom to bet independently as he pleases. SO WHICH INDEPENDENCE IS STRONGER? The roulette’s or the player’s? You are gonna tell me about the house edge. When the player skips spins and plays only when there is an obvious advantage, that alone more than overcomes the house edge. PLAYERS THAT LOSE and blame it on the house edge, are still going to lose even if the payment was 39:1 instead of 35:1.  Show me a player that when he loses, he loses an amount equal to the house edge.
Any experienced roulette system player knows y people lose, and the house edge is not in the list.
Look at the situation from another angle. PLAYER’S BETTING IS A SERIES OF INDEPENDENT EVENT AND TRIALS. Therefore the roulette is expected to lose. That’s what you are saying from the other point of view. The question is,  which point of view is more prevalent? Y is it that the roulette must have the upper hand and not the player? It only comes down to the house edge that makes the game look as a negative expectation event. The house edge can be easily turned to player’s edge, with the right system by avoiding continuous bets and the use of VIRTUAL LOSSES, therefore the possibility to win consistently is very much alive. And there are players out there that that do win on a consistent basis.
There is nothing wrong with looking at both sides of the system. (not just the positive side), and that’s what a forum should be. For everyone’s benefit.  But announcing that roulette can never be beaten, has no place in a roulette forum. Maybe in a GAMBLER’S ANONYMOUS FORUM, if there is one.

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Posted: 03 June 2014 08:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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luckyfella - 03 June 2014 03:40 AM

“Lucky 34” under Bet selection

Edit : We can discuss here if you want to.

Yea ok. I couldn’t find the thread , so I have no idea how the lucky 34 works. So you might have to describe it for me and hopefully it’s easy to follow.
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Posted: 04 June 2014 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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The member count has always been way off due to all the spam bots that are constantly registering accounts. For better or worse, this site has always been a small group of posters, many of which don’t speak English as their first language.

No comment on the rest of your points though.

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Posted: 04 June 2014 06:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Hi Jacob, I thank you for your communication.
I have never told a Granny how to suck eggs but I am afraid if you truly wish this
forum to flourish in any way you must take a stricter approach in your moderating.
The negative responses posted by a certain group in this forum is almost certain
to drive away anyone who is trying to get intelligent interaction from other forum
members.
Sadly I see no point in remaining an active member as there appears to be very
few members posting.
Unless you wish to change the tempo of the forum and encourage intelligent dialogue
between members I suggest that you open a separate section on the site where every
post is moderated and unacceptable postings and replies are rejected.
Such an action might generate a new group of subscribers with genuine ideas, that
could interact in a friendly manner and get some sensible views aired.
As you have admitted there are very few members active on the site now and if the
troublesome ones no longer get their postings displayed on the forum, it may encourage
them to look for pastures new.
I respect your fortitude in remaining the moderator, a thankless task I am sure.
                                                              Regards hitemhard

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Posted: 04 June 2014 10:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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hitemhard, This site is largely unmoderated and self-regulated. What little time I have to give to this community is usually spent dealing with the spam, and trying to make sure the site remains functional. I’m a one man team at the moment, and that is all I have to give. I agree this place could probably benefit from a couple moderators to help guide some of the discussions (and if anyone is interested in taking a stab at that role, PM me), but I doubt it will ever be the tightly moderated community you seem to seek. I appreciate the advice though, it is good to have a dialog about these sorts of things.

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Posted: 05 June 2014 12:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Jacob - 04 June 2014 10:03 PM

... I agree this place could probably benefit from a couple moderators to help guide some of the discussions ..., but I doubt it will ever be the tightly moderated community you [hitemhard] seem to seek.

I certainly hope it never gets there.  I admit that when rec.gambling.craps became a ghost newsgroup I did not conduct anything close to an exhaustive search for a board to replace it.  I picked Craps Forum (and by default the other forums connected to it, like this one) out of the lot because it appeared to have no agenda.  No non-spam posters are barred; even that purveyor of snake oil tomuen was tolerated until he continued to try to sell it after some rather questionable tactics he used were exposed.  Nothing is kept off the table; if the flames get too hot there is always the last resort of the Report Function, but I do feel posters to a public forum need skin thick enough to withstand a little heat and be willing to defend any position they take.

IMHO the quickest way to kill a discussion group is to discourage the posting of views contrary to those of the moderator and therefore discourage participation of posters who hold those views.  The result is what I call a “birds of a feather” board with only a few members who post ideas that go unchallenged.

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Posted: 05 June 2014 10:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Jacob - 04 June 2014 10:03 PM

hitemhard, This site is largely unmoderated and self-regulated. What little time I have to give to this community is usually spent dealing with the spam, and trying to make sure the site remains functional. I’m a one man team at the moment, and that is all I have to give. I agree this place could probably benefit from a couple moderators to help guide some of the discussions (and if anyone is interested in taking a stab at that role, PM me), but I doubt it will ever be the tightly moderated community you seem to seek. I appreciate the advice though, it is good to have a dialog about these sorts of things.

Then I guess the only solution for members who are serious about making a living out of winning roulette, is to ignore posts by other members or bots who get their kick out of being negative (winning the roulette in general rather than being negative about specific systems and strategies), and concentrate on posts made by members who legitimately inquire and contribute ideas about systems and winning strategies. Again I’m not talking about a one sided group of members who agree with everything and everyone. I’m talking about members who genuinely want to learn, contribute, and correct any system/ideas that have to do with winning the game of roulette. This is the mission of a forum to begin with. And those who are going to be negative with just about everything that’s being posted, will find them talking to themselves.
I think that’s the best solution under the circumstances.

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