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Facts about random numbers

Posted: 08 August 2014 04:05 AM 
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In European roulette, you cannot never see a pattern of 28 spins with no repetition on it, no matter how long you stay at the casino. So, if we take a pattern of 34 consecutives spins and divide them into 3 groups:
1: numbers never comes out
2: numbers comes out only one time
3: numbers comes out more than one time (repeated numbers)
If the first one of the 34 consecutive spins is from group 2, means it appears only 1 time, the probability that in the next 3 consecutive spins, appear one of the number of group 1 is more than 85%.
So in any 34 consecutive spins, in case the first one appear only one time we can play on the numbers of group 1.
Lets take an example:
the 34 consecutive spins are the following:
2  10  11  12  11  34  36  27  4  31  5  14 16  16  8  16  17  24  7  1  36  32  26  8  2  13  34  17  6  24  31  32  3  32
Group 1: 0  9  15  18  19  20  21  22  23  25  26  28  29  30  33  35
Group 2: 10  12  27  4  31  5  14  1  26  13  6  31  3
Group 3: 2  11  34  36  16  8  17  32  24
As the first of the 34 consecutive spins is: 2 appears more than one time: not to play.
now suppose that the next spin is 4, the last 34 consecutive spins will be:
10  11  12  11  34  36  27  4  31  5  14 16  16  8  16  17  24  7  1  36  32  26  8  2  13  34  17  6  24  31  32  3  32  4
Group 1: 0  9  15  18  19  20  21  22  23  25  26  28  29  30  33  35
Group 2: 10  12  27  31  5  14  1  26  13  6  31  3
Group 3: 2  11  34  36  4  16  8  17  32  24
Now the first of the 34 consecutive spins is: 10 and we can bet on the numbers: 0  9  15  18  19  20  21  22  23  25  26  28  29  30  33  35 from group 1 knowing that the probability that one of them appear in the next 3 consecutive spin is more than 85%.





Posted: 10 August 2014 04:01 AM 
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absabbagh51  08 August 2014 04:05 AM In European roulette, you cannot never see a pattern of 28 spins with no repetition on it, no matter how long you stay at the casino. So, if we take a pattern of 34 consecutives spins and divide them into 3 groups:
1: numbers never comes out
2: numbers comes out only one time
3: numbers comes out more than one time (repeated numbers)
If the first one of the 34 consecutive spins is from group 2, means it appears only 1 time, the probability that in the next 3 consecutive spins, appear one of the number of group 1 is more than 85%.
So in any 34 consecutive spins, in case the first one appear only one time we can play on the numbers of group 1.
Lets take an example:
the 34 consecutive spins are the following:
2  10  11  12  11  34  36  27  4  31  5  14 16  16  8  16  17  24  7  1  36  32  26  8  2  13  34  17  6  24  31  32  3  32
Group 1: 0  9  15  18  19  20  21  22  23  25  26  28  29  30  33  35
Group 2: 10  12  27  4  31  5  14  1  26  13  6  31  3
Group 3: 2  11  34  36  16  8  17  32  24
As the first of the 34 consecutive spins is: 2 appears more than one time: not to play.
now suppose that the next spin is 4, the last 34 consecutive spins will be:
10  11  12  11  34  36  27  4  31  5  14 16  16  8  16  17  24  7  1  36  32  26  8  2  13  34  17  6  24  31  32  3  32  4
Group 1: 0  9  15  18  19  20  21  22  23  25  26  28  29  30  33  35
Group 2: 10  12  27  31  5  14  1  26  13  6  31  3
Group 3: 2  11  34  36  4  16  8  17  32  24
Now the first of the 34 consecutive spins is: 10 and we can bet on the numbers: 0  9  15  18  19  20  21  22  23  25  26  28  29  30  33  35 from group 1 knowing that the probability that one of them appear in the next 3 consecutive spin is more than 85%.
Only fact about random numbers are that they are random…......





Posted: 10 August 2014 04:35 AM 
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If everything is totally random, probability never been true. A number in a space of 37 numbers should equally appear in long term.
In short term, a number not appeared in 34 consecutive spin, should appear in the next 3 spins because the space is formed from 37 numbers if the first will become a new number means exist only one time.
If you want a math better explanation contact me in my inbox.





Posted: 10 August 2014 05:02 AM 
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I sou more then 300 times one number beeng sleeping…





Posted: 10 August 2014 05:15 AM 
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Of course it could happen but when time it wake up it will appear more then 5 times in the next 37 spin, at least with one consecutive repetition.





Posted: 10 August 2014 07:41 AM 
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What exactly makes you so shure about it? How in this world you can state that it gonna have consequtive repetitions? Could you argument it please, lm curios.





Posted: 10 August 2014 08:02 AM 
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First of all I have a PHD in Mathematic, I make my dissertation studying probability in short time. Statistic show that my formulas are valid. You never notice that when a number doesn’t appear for long, and when it will return to appear, it appears often!!! More take to appear, more often appear.
Anyway, there is many live casinos and autopaly casino where you can test (dubinbet.com, castlecasino.com, ...) where you can test what I say.
I already test all my formulas and specially the one for 34 consecutive spins and it works. This is why I mention it.





Posted: 10 August 2014 10:43 AM 
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absabbagh51  10 August 2014 08:02 AM First of all I have a PHD in Mathematic, I make my dissertation studying probability in short time. Statistic show that my formulas are valid. You never notice that when a number doesn’t appear for long, and when it will return to appear, it appears often!!! More take to appear, more often appear.
Anyway, there is many live casinos and autopaly casino where you can test (dubinbet.com, castlecasino.com, ...) where you can test what I say.
I already test all my formulas and specially the one for 34 consecutive spins and it works. This is why I mention it.
No matter how many numbers in any trial any conclusions you draw from them applies only to that particular trial.
Twist and turn how you may the Expectation in any 37 spins IS that each and every number will appear once in those 37 numbers. The fact that they don’t illustrates that an Expectation is only that  an Expectation.
No matter how many trials you make any conclusions made apply to them and only them .Further trials may appear to validate them but is the result of Random and so APPEAR to validate them.
If each spin is random then we simply cannot foretell with certainty as is claimed by all too many critics of gambling.
We can only guess. Probability Theory is a tool to help us with our guessing and is not The Holy Grail that some mathematicians claim it to be.
Maths geeks seek to win an argument  gamblers seek to make money from their gambling.
Gambling is gambling is gambling





Posted: 10 August 2014 01:58 PM 
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From what i see, you’re taking off the first number when you’re playing… if for example the first number came out 2 times in the 34 spins. So actually there is always 34 spins and you’re always playing the 35th spin ?? If the first number came out only one time as expected but you miss your bet, do you check what is the first number of that new serial of 34 spins to play or do you raise your bet and bet for the 36th spin?





Posted: 10 August 2014 02:00 PM 
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If You make thousands of tests which every one consist of 111 spins and you get always a percentage of 85% coming on the next 3 consecutive spins, you cannot say that it applies to that particular trial.
I say: In European roulette, you cannot never see a pattern of 28 spins with no repetition on it, no matter how long you stay at the casino.
That mean I never expect to see every number appear in 37 spins. This will never happen. In fact in some cases a number would be so cold that never appear maybe after 500 spins.
Any number that not appear for 34 spin become belong to Group1. In fact in my example, if in the first spin fail, automatically number 10 goes from Group2 to Group1 ad if in the second spin comes number 10, it means that the algorithm succeed. Maybe many numbers goes from Group2 to Group1 and they comes and make the algorithm succeed.
Probability has born from the following: Two Greek mathematicians was betting on a coin: One bet on Head, and one on Tail. The one with the head was losing, so he get anger, and he think if there is no cheating, why should come more tails than heads.
So he calls his students and make them flip coins for 1 million time. He get the conclusion that the result in long term, there is approximately half heads and half tails, and he say that the probability to come head at infinity is the same as tail.
I agree with you that gambling is different from math. There is emotion, adrenaline, amount of money. What happen if the algorithm fail in 3 consecutive spins. Can a gambler stop and wait….





Posted: 10 August 2014 02:00 PM 
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Looks like they atribute phd thing to everyone willing . Befor it used to be more fair. People had to deserve it. Probablity of any number appiare in given trial is 50/50!!! It will apiare or not. Apiarence of given number gonna account for first half of its probability ( true resoult). Not apiarence of our expected number in any given trial gonna account for other half ( false resoult). With this stupid theory l think l deserve phd as well!!! Is there anyone there able to abolish my logic? Probably not, but it does not mean that its right!
Resoults in roulette do depend on phisics and not mathematics of the game. Stating othervise is fallacy.





Posted: 10 August 2014 02:06 PM 
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Dear Sergiy,
why you don’t use a translator and check spelling algorithm, so I can understand you what you say





Posted: 10 August 2014 02:33 PM 
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To Chiphunter:
Every time a new spin come , you save it, when you have 34 spins, you divide them in Group2 (not repeated number) and Group3 (repeated number). The numbers from 0 to 37 that not appears in the 34 spins are the numbers that belongs to Group1.
If the first spin of the 34 spins id repeated means that belong to Group3, you don’t play and you discard and wait for a new spin. if the next one belongs to Group3, the same you don’t paly, discard it and wait for a new spin. If the next belongs to Group2, you should bet the numbers in Group1, Suppose that the next spin is one of Group1, that mean you win, You continue to check for play or not with your last 34 spins.
You should do it for 3 consecutive spins. If it fails in all of them. You should wait till there is a next play.





Posted: 10 August 2014 02:52 PM 
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To Sergiy,
Did you ever went to School? With a little logic, You should not say that a number have 50/50 to appear in a space of 37 numbers. If it appears or not, you should think there is also 36 others numbers that could appear or not.





Posted: 10 August 2014 07:10 PM 
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sergiy 
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Absa.. are you ok ? Did you read my post? Or your ” little logic ” tells you that you know everything befor trying to actually read what people say?





Posted: 11 August 2014 01:55 AM 
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absabbagh51  10 August 2014 02:52 PM To Sergiy,
Did you ever went to School? With a little logic, You should not say that a number have 50/50 to appear in a space of 37 numbers. If it appears or not, you should think there is also 36 others numbers that could appear or not.
You mean. “Did you ever ‘go’ to school”
You have a phd in maths? Well I am a fighter pilot, leader of the New World Order, I own a 100 islands, I own a couple of airlines, I own 200 oil rigs, I am the king of Wall Street to name a few, all after I became a spinal surgeon, while owning and running 50 franchise supermarkets.
Btw. If a number didn’t come in 300 spins, it does not have to come 5 time in the next 37 spins. It could come once then twice the next 37 spins then once again then stay away for 74 spins then appear 3 times and so on. It could very slowly even out over the next 7000 spins or more so there are no rules.
If the wheel is bias in anyway certain numbers or sectors would appear more than expected and vica versa. Some numbers will have a negative standard deviation. Your whole thought process is flawed. So much for phd in maths I guess. You should rather get a qualification in physics…. it will serve you better.




