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Posted: 06 November 2014 07:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 256 ]
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palestis - 05 November 2014 08:41 PM
sergiy - 04 November 2014 08:19 PM

@ palestis,  l had a look on a book. VB is right,  you better get Lourence Scott material if you really wanna get understanding of AP ways. Jensen’s book is not tottal bs, it just don’t gonna make you earn money. Still a good book for a beginning dow, good value for money.
If you wanna explore systems that has higher resistance to fall , look Pierre Basieux books as well. Lourence and Pierre books are enough to make you start to earn. Even only Lourence books are good enough,  but require lots of atention to detail. 
There are others l would reccomend
” computational approach to statistics” jerome.h.klotz
” methods of multivariate analisys”  Alvin C Rencher
This 2 books will teach you how to form and test hypotesys to achieve high confidence level.  First one is written by former bias player. Good news that last 2 books you can easily download, if you don’t find them by any reason, just drop your email, lll send them to you.

Yea Laurence Scott’s book looks interesting at $100 vol.1 and $250 vol. 2.

Books are worth the price. It used to be 750 for both, good price now. Second book comes with software wich is indispensable for spoting play opportunities.

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Posted: 07 November 2014 04:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 257 ]
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palestis - 05 November 2014 08:31 PM
VB Meister - 04 November 2014 09:06 AM
palestis - 03 November 2014 01:10 PM
sergiy - 03 November 2014 07:42 AM

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Lol. There are much more advanced vb methods than that. That is pretty old school but still valid. I BET way earlier in the spin. Does his bias play include searching for specific bias caused by specific defects or conditions? Bet it does not. If you were really interested buy LS Vol1 & Vol 2. Much better material.

Actually it devotes a few chapters on bias. These 2 pages are part of it.


Bias or no bias, come to Casino De Genting, ( if U from Malaysia, let’s go to Genting Hghland Casino, eben if U from Antarctica and sincere U still can fly here , contact me in advance, Ur air ticket will be FREE and loads of winning for U!) let our master show U a new invention. realised the real winning in practice…

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Posted: 07 November 2014 04:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 258 ]
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sergiy - 06 November 2014 07:34 AM
palestis - 05 November 2014 08:41 PM
sergiy - 04 November 2014 08:19 PM

@ palestis,  l had a look on a book. VB is right,  you better get Lourence Scott material if you really wanna get understanding of AP ways. Jensen’s book is not tottal bs, it just don’t gonna make you earn money. Still a good book for a beginning dow, good value for money.
If you wanna explore systems that has higher resistance to fall , look Pierre Basieux books as well. Lourence and Pierre books are enough to make you start to earn. Even only Lourence books are good enough,  but require lots of atention to detail. 
There are others l would reccomend
” computational approach to statistics” jerome.h.klotz
” methods of multivariate analisys”  Alvin C Rencher
This 2 books will teach you how to form and test hypotesys to achieve high confidence level.  First one is written by former bias player. Good news that last 2 books you can easily download, if you don’t find them by any reason, just drop your email, lll send them to you.

Yea Laurence Scott’s book looks interesting at $100 vol.1 and $250 vol. 2.

Books are worth the price. It used to be 750 for both, good price now. Second book comes with software wich is indispensable for spoting play opportunities.

AGAIN, I ALSO DID NOT ENTER A WORD HERE, SOME1 MIGHT GUILTY CONSCIOUS THINKING I CRITICIZED HIM?

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Posted: 07 November 2014 04:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 259 ]
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palestis - 03 November 2014 12:18 AM
sergiy - 02 November 2014 09:28 PM

@ harrij, l do not deny my limited understanding of probability, lm not an expert myself. Hoever we do use it in estimation of prediction accuracy and level of confidence estimation. We still do calculate averages and means of destributions and do asses posible variance and coeeficient of sqwness our data may have. And we do abuse of chi- square and std calculations as a day by day practice.
I just wanna remind you that the low of large numbers do not garanty imidiate resoults and Bashilher ” rendom walk hypotese ” do account only for normall destribution cases, where large tail destributions are simply not accounted as a possibility.
Roulette can often produce resoults that do belong to that ” fat tail destributions” kind, wich translates in unexpected events beeng more probable than people would normally expect.
If all the gamblers would be such an experts in probability as they clame to be, they would be Advantage players instead. They would be using tools that do account for unexpected events and would understand the nessesity to limit freedom of the system they are trying to predict. Do you see, current stream of math development is creating tools wich models are taken from real world examples. It incudes weather forcasting, predicting markets, beating roulette..ets.
Roulette itself is a fisical system that does depend on external factors wich have to be used as predictors in order to limit its freedom.
Math itself in its pure form is an abstract science and can not be used to beat roulette game, becouse HE is garanted by the same math. Statistics is the same thing. Both this tools can be uppled only to understand fisical aspects of every past and current spin , wich have to be striped down to the variables. Variables themself are triggers just becouse they do pretence to the real physical model of the real phisical roulette wheel you are trying to beat, and not to some ethereal abstractional model based on trends wich can not be predicted.
Following real phisical roulette wheel is called playing, and following its abstraction model based on rendom groops destributions is called gambling. One is a real way to make money in the real world, betting on the real wheel. Other is following gambler fallacy illusorial expectations.
I don’t mean any offence, just saying truth.

Yea Sergyi.
You admit your limited knowledge of probability. In the recent past you posted you don’t know how to bet on the table. Yet in your conclusions you sound like you have a Nobel Prize in probability. Insisting that anybody that doesn’t play like you is doomed. If you are an expert in what you are doing with roulette then stick with it. What business do you have to tell system players that they are wrong? Have you done over 10+ years research?
Have you observed hundreds of thousands of spins to draw conclusions how numbers behave and how triggers are developed? And how virtual bets overcome the HE? Members that talk about that have done their homework. They are not guessing. You are guessing, because you admitted you don’t have knowledge of probability. The others draw conclusions based of long term tested and confirmed facts. Not two months, not 5000 spins, but hundred times that. Or do you think it’s a coincidence? How can something that’s proven each and every time over many years period can be a coincidence?  It’s not.
Many keep bringing up the math and the gaming experts and the fact that they say roulette cannot be won.
Have you heard of any math or gaming expert saying that the only way to win is with physics?  They all generalize that a roulette cannot be won. They don’t make an exception for the physics method. Both statement are simply rumors anyway. Just like Einstein said that the only way to win the roulette is to steal. He didn’t say that only physics can beat it. No math or gaming experts ever said that. It seems that the gaming and physics experts are only in the forums. If that’s the case y don’t they post their credentials? Like A pic. of their Phd in kinetics. At least we would take it seriously if it came from an expert source.
And all the physics experts here don’t talk about their systems. They spend most of their time posting about the pitfalls of math systems, And nothing about the physics system, for others to see and test its validity.
Bottom line is this. You found something that works for you. Then use it and win. And let the experts on the other side win their way. Hovering over this forum and shooting down any post that has to do with systems, is counterproductive. A smart player must have an open mind.
I tried to observe the physics of spinning just the other day in the casino, and all I saw was the dealer spinning the ball with mach-2, hitting the diamond and jumping across the wheel, then hitting the pocket separator and then jumping all over. I couldn’t even imagine trying to make sense out of it. I know. Look for another wheel.
And don’t think that roulette physics is a well secret among the AP’s This page in the pic. is from a book that I bought from Amazon. You know. My curiosity to explore every conceivable method to win.
And has 250 pages explaining the physics method. Tracking, bias,  and everything there is to know on the subject. If everyone bought this book , the casinos would be in trouble.
Well, though it’s a good reference for someone who wants to turn to the physics route to win, I find such methods too complicated compared to the method I’m familiar with. If my methods came to a dead end, then I would considering paying more attention to the book . Thankfully I don’t have to. Keeping things simple it’s a much better alternative.

 

LOL I THOUGHT I HAD COMMENTED HERE, IT SEEMS I DID NOT ....SO SOME1 FELT EMO AND IRRITATED AND ATTACKED ME BCOZ OF THIS???

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Posted: 07 November 2014 04:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 260 ]
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come and contact me at Genting Malaysia… I show U some miracle…


THIS WAS MY COMMENT, I DUN INTENDED TO OFFEND ANY MEMBER HERE DUN BE GUILTY CONSCIOUS

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Posted: 17 November 2014 02:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 261 ]
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LOL, interesting to see these postings.. I personally dun believe in such theory either… otherwise winning became easier using my formula and less capital to “buy luck” as well as can play Single Number game…progressively and win good return?!!

I am NEW, I dun play roulette before 2010, even walk near the “Messy Table”

Only when I saw it from internet, I still skeptic on House Edge of 2.7% for European Roulette, I was so tied up with “Flat Rate Betting” in Playing Black Jack mindset.

Then I switch to “Anti Martingale” learnt from a friend and saw many pro players doing this. I tried a game called “3 Kings” which was 5% house edge pay even (a derivative of Baccarat BUT popular folk games during Chinese New Year) I put $100, when I win I doubled up when lost I go back to $100 initial bets….there were occasions I won in streaks and reach $ 1600 and hit the max table limit and I won.. all in all I lost slowly… so its still not a consistant game to hit it rich…

Finally I went to roulette table after I saw many vacant seats and Private(no need to blame other patrons for keep coming and going affecting play) I also see simple House Edge reduced from 5% to 2.71%

I play color and again, sometimes I even hit to $6000 but still NOT consistent winning, as if it was LUCK….

Then I change to Martingale up to level 4, if lost after 4th level as risk of buying big, I abondon it… again I saw the effect of “house edge” still losing eventually…

I stopped….until I saw a “tout” selling/promoting roulette under Roulette strategy online…

I check his “formula” of earning $100 daily by progressive play of the Column Bet…I found the catch and his claim of “Column bet cannot stretch to more than 15 or ?? times absent” citing “Balance of probability”....

I know this is not true… so I modified it and discovered and patched the “Not True” into truth/realistic logic (my secret)

So I dun need to wait absent of 7 or 8 times in a column to bet , every round I will BET and the “more round the more winning” is my formula and exponentially going up and NOT to stop or run when winning, this is NOT LUCK anymore BUT capital and time that affect the winning. As long as there’s enough Capital and not bankrupt, the more time the more profit/winning is…

OK, the rest is “secret”/classified otherwise , everyone who have money can copy my formula…then what for I write here to kill my ambition?

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Posted: 20 November 2014 03:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 262 ]
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sergiy - 06 November 2014 07:34 AM
palestis - 05 November 2014 08:41 PM
sergiy - 04 November 2014 08:19 PM

@ palestis,  l had a look on a book. VB is right,  you better get Lourence Scott material if you really wanna get understanding of AP ways. Jensen’s book is not tottal bs, it just don’t gonna make you earn money. Still a good book for a beginning dow, good value for money.
If you wanna explore systems that has higher resistance to fall , look Pierre Basieux books as well. Lourence and Pierre books are enough to make you start to earn. Even only Lourence books are good enough,  but require lots of atention to detail. 
There are others l would reccomend
” computational approach to statistics” jerome.h.klotz
” methods of multivariate analisys”  Alvin C Rencher
This 2 books will teach you how to form and test hypotesys to achieve high confidence level.  First one is written by former bias player. Good news that last 2 books you can easily download, if you don’t find them by any reason, just drop your email, lll send them to you.

Yea Laurence Scott’s book looks interesting at $100 vol.1 and $250 vol. 2.

Books are worth the price. It used to be 750 for both, good price now. Second book comes with software wich is indispensable for spoting play opportunities.

Hi Sergy
Did you actually BUY these books ? I thought VB Meister was tutoring you .

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Posted: 20 November 2014 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 263 ]
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@Scepticus,  no bro l didn’t buy them. I got almoust all materials about the subject that one could think of, including really rare exemplars of books out of print or books never published. Different people from comunity sent them for me. There are lots of nice people in the world. 
I would love VB Meister to become my tutor and to sertain degree he was ( he unswered couple of qwestions l really were curios about). However l never meet him and only exchange couple pms.
As you probably already understood lm alergic to the ” buy ” kind of things…

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Posted: 20 November 2014 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 264 ]
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roulettPro1 - 07 November 2014 04:49 PM

come to FB , the roulette Academy if U from Malaysia, let’s go to Genting Hghland Casino, let our master show U a new invention. realised the real winning in practice…

https://www.facebook.com/roulettPro

kiblcom1 - 25 May 2014 03:11 PM

im just 16 years old and im lose about 1000usdollar ...im from malaysia ...i need some one to help me tmr my gambling agent was need to clean up the money ...im no money to pay i need some hlp about strategy…anyone help please?

Hey roulettePro1.
Here is a potential customer for your system .
He’s desperate for a winning system, and since you got it and you live in the same country you can make a deal with him.
Then if he reports good results in the forum, I’m sure more members will rush to buy your system.
Palestis

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Posted: 21 November 2014 09:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 265 ]
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sergiy - 20 November 2014 03:52 PM

@Scepticus,  no bro l didn’t buy them. I got almoust all materials about the subject that one could think of, including really rare exemplars of books out of print or books never published. Different people from comunity sent them for me. There are lots of nice people in the world. 
I would love VB Meister to become my tutor and to sertain degree he was ( he unswered couple of qwestions l really were curios about). However l never meet him and only exchange couple pms.
As you probably already understood lm alergic to the ” buy ” kind of things…


You are a lucky guy, sergy, to have so many friends that will give you - for free - so many valuable books.But these books don’t give you the capacity to put their theories into practice- and they never will if they teach you that you can make all the necessary calculations in the time available to place your bets.
The calculations are not so SIMPLE as you AP players seem to think .
Don’t take my word for it, Sergy, ask any physicist or mathematician.

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Posted: 21 November 2014 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 266 ]
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palestis - 20 November 2014 09:27 PM
roulettPro1 - 07 November 2014 04:49 PM

come to FB , the roulette Academy if U from Malaysia, let’s go to Genting Hghland Casino, let our master show U a new invention. realised the real winning in practice…

https://www.facebook.com/roulettPro

kiblcom1 - 25 May 2014 03:11 PM

im just 16 years old and im lose about 1000usdollar ...im from malaysia ...i need some one to help me tmr my gambling agent was need to clean up the money ...im no money to pay i need some hlp about strategy…anyone help please?

Hey roulettePro1.
Here is a potential customer for your system .
He’s desperate for a winning system, and since you got it and you live in the same country you can make a deal with him.
Then if he reports good results in the forum, I’m sure more members will rush to buy your system.
Palestis

Sorry friend, I dun sell my system, I only dun wanna go solo and want to make friend and partners…To enter the Casino de Genting, U must achieved 21 Years Old…I am not going to use my money to Help others, only genuine and sincere candidate with own Money qualify and I will not even touch your money…Some people won from 3K to 6K a 100% profit after 3 Hours , they quit (and run) due to common Fallacy of “LUCK” still embedded in their mindset…so they then go and try their own and lost back… and they go behind me and “Blame me”(sour grapes and because I dun wan them any more , they jealous and prevent others to join me using smear tactics…) I hate this kind of opportunistic person , they cannot even be friend.

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Posted: 21 November 2014 10:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 267 ]
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@Scepticus.  All calculations you are referring to are made at home, based on data taken previosly. In play we use variables. For example,  our data says that in some exact rotor speed our offset from visually observed number in specific revolution of ball will be lets say 10 pokets. We wait till exact rotor speed beeng served, then we take visual read in specific place during our target revolution of ball. Then mentally we apply plus 10 numbers to our visual read and instantly know where to bett.
We make relatively simple calculations in play, all advanced math are made in home with the computer. Real challenge is to be able to adjust for different conditions in play. If something changes, we have to change our observation point, or our offsets that we upply. To model such situations l make kind of simplistic maps on roulette card that help to adjustments.
Its not that easy as many try to convince but not that difficult as many think. Just need homework made well and data taken properly. There is cause- effect relationship in everything in roulette. Ability to see it is mane qwolity of good player.

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Posted: 21 November 2014 10:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 268 ]
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sergiy - 21 November 2014 10:18 AM

@Scepticus.  All calculations you are referring to are made at home, based on data taken previosly. In play we use variables. For example,  our data says that in some exact rotor speed our offset from visually observed number in specific revolution of ball will be lets say 10 pokets. We wait till exact rotor speed beeng served, then we take visual read in specific place during our target revolution of ball. Then mentally we apply plus 10 numbers to our visual read and instantly know where to bett.
We make relatively simple calculations in play, all advanced math are made in home with the computer. Real challenge is to be able to adjust for different conditions in play. If something changes, we have to change our observation point, or our offsets that we upply. To model such situations l make kind of simplistic maps on roulette card that help to adjustments.
Its not that easy as many try to convince but not that difficult as many think. Just need homework made well and data taken properly. There is cause- effect relationship in everything in roulette. Ability to see it is mane qwolity of good player.


Interesting post,Sergy, but it doesn’t explain WHY you think a wheel is biased.The bottom line, Sergy, is whether or not your betting is profitable ..So, how many numbers do you bet - 11 ? And what is the value of the chips you play ? What is your table bank ? And how much do you actually win ? I think we all depend on ” the variables”  to beat the House Edge.

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Posted: 22 November 2014 06:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 269 ]
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scepticus - 21 November 2014 10:53 PM
sergiy - 21 November 2014 10:18 AM

@Scepticus.  All calculations you are referring to are made at home, based on data taken previosly. In play we use variables. For example,  our data says that in some exact rotor speed our offset from visually observed number in specific revolution of ball will be lets say 10 pokets. We wait till exact rotor speed beeng served, then we take visual read in specific place during our target revolution of ball. Then mentally we apply plus 10 numbers to our visual read and instantly know where to bett.
We make relatively simple calculations in play, all advanced math are made in home with the computer. Real challenge is to be able to adjust for different conditions in play. If something changes, we have to change our observation point, or our offsets that we upply. To model such situations l make kind of simplistic maps on roulette card that help to adjustments.
Its not that easy as many try to convince but not that difficult as many think. Just need homework made well and data taken properly. There is cause- effect relationship in everything in roulette. Ability to see it is mane qwolity of good player.


Interesting post,Sergy, but it doesn’t explain WHY you think a wheel is biased.The bottom line, Sergy, is whether or not your betting is profitable ..So, how many numbers do you bet - 11 ? And what is the value of the chips you play ? What is your table bank ? And how much do you actually win ? I think we all depend on ” the variables”  to beat the House Edge.

Scepticus,  in my previous post l didnt spoke about wheel beeng biased. Although there are lots of different biases and VB itself is a form of bias play ( drop zone bias). Ill try to unswer your qwestions best l can.
To determine if wheel is ” biased”  we need to take considerable ammount of data in form of phisical variables. This includes velocities, distances, relative distances, ball bechavior in different stages of spin development…. Only you can decide wich variables are needed for your analisys.  Then damp it all in computer to make correlation.  If you see some numbers or sectors or relative positions coming more then they should according to the expectation, and probability of such phenomena to happen gives you confidence, then you do belive that wheel is ” biased”.
I already unswered the rest of your qwestions somewhere… l start to bett with terminal minimum ( l don’t bett tables) . I bett sectors so big, as data l have says l should in order to get moust money in less time posible.  I use not more then 20-40 pound as my session bankroll.  I have targets of 3-4 hundred pound everytime l print a ticket.

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Posted: 22 November 2014 07:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 270 ]
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sergiy - 22 November 2014 06:56 AM
scepticus - 21 November 2014 10:53 PM
sergiy - 21 November 2014 10:18 AM

@Scepticus.  All calculations you are referring to are made at home, bo determine if wheel is ” biased”  we need to take considerable ammount of data in form of phisical variables. This includes velocities, distances, relative distances, ball bechavior in different stages of spin development…. Only you can decide wich variables are needed for your analisys.  Then damp it all in computer to make correlation.  If you see some numbers or sectors or relative positions coming more then they should according to the expectation, and probability of such phenomena to happen gives you confidence, then you do belive that wheel is ” biased”.
I already unswered the rest of your qwestions somewhere… l start to bett with terminal minimum ( l don’t bett tables) . I bett sectors so big, as data l have says l should in order to get moust money in less time posible.  I use not more then 20-40 pound as my session bankroll.  I have targets of 3-4 hundred pound everytime l print a ticket.


Amazing, Sergy, simply amazing !

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