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Posted: 14 August 2014 07:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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Anonsment of ” magic product on market” !!!! I, sergiy, gonna teach anyone willing to work hard to lern how to beat roulette in exchange of working together to the purposes of beating roulette. Im in GB. Product is hott!!! It cost only you dedication and time, no monetary value is evolved.  Thats why is magic. Instead of costing you money, it can bring you solid income.

Note that i m talking about those who beat the roulette with math

So the magic product to sell would be a new magic product to lose 10kg in only a week for example, something with very fast results and of course with no effort to do. smile

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Posted: 14 August 2014 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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:(. No magic like that from me… sry.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 08:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Chip-hunter - 14 August 2014 07:12 AM

Note that i m talking about those who beat the roulette with math

Would virtual math qualify?  How about imaginary math?  (After all, isn’t reality just in your mind?)

(PS. For the benefit of future readers this is a reference to the “Here is a thought” thread in the General Roulette Chat Section.)

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Posted: 14 August 2014 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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Virtual bets for virtual hopes, the market is big enough to sell many miracle products and there is enough space for everyone smile Of course virtual bets are fallacies, it will just delay (time)...obviously, because they play less spins. But they forgot that randomness stay unpredictable, you cannot know how it will manifest and when… Even when we’re only talking about gambling, you could avoid some fluctuation as you could avoid THE serial that would make you win a lot. I definately prefer to use positive progression, at least at a moment and by luck, you could envisage to stop because you won quite a lot.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Chip-hunter - 14 August 2014 03:08 PM

Virtual bets for virtual hopes, the market is big enough to sell many miracle products and there is enough space for everyone smile Of course virtual bets are fallacies, it will just delay (time)...obviously, because they play less spins. But they forgot that randomness stay unpredictable, you cannot know how it will manifest and when… Even when we’re only talking about gambling, you could avoid some fluctuation as you could avoid THE serial that would make you win a lot. I definately prefer to use positive progression, at least at a moment and by luck, you could envisage to stop because you won quite a lot.


But it’s all theory guys, isn’t it ? If the spins are random then NO ONE can predict with certainty.
IF - he has a way to win 1 in every 5 then he does win if the first two lose but he is still betting that the first two DON’T win -  but he could also wait for 3 virtual losses - or four losses !
At least he puts something on the table for discussion and deserves credit for that.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 07:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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The problem with virtual bet is that it works, only if the system you use has an edge. Then we simply need to know the average or the maximum you could lose, and simply wait to reach virtually this average or maximum to start to play… and yes it works, but it becomes a gambling fallacies when you use it with a negative edge where you’re simply waiting for a return to balanced result that can come any time (we don’t know how and we don’t know when).

Instead to wait at the casino, they simply should play at home virtually and go to casino when their system lost a lot on the paper, they would save time.

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Posted: 14 August 2014 08:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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If any system you use have adge, you will be better just plane betting or with positive progression. If you can define boundaries of abuse on positive progression and correlate it with your adge, you will have pleasurable gaming experience moust of the time you play. This way you will be addicted player, instead of turning addicted gambler.
I belive addiction for winn is much better and stimulating then addiction to play ( gambling addiction).
The only down side is that you will want to pass all your time in casino and will start to think to make it your proffecion. Let me know then. wink... l need right people.

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Posted: 15 August 2014 01:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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Chip-hunter - 14 August 2014 07:55 PM

The problem with virtual bet is that it works, only if the system you use has an edge. Then we simply need to know the average or the maximum you could lose, and simply wait to reach virtually this average or maximum to start to play… and yes it works, but it becomes a gambling fallacies when you use it with a negative edge where you’re simply waiting for a return to balanced result that can come any time (we don’t know how and we don’t know when).

Instead to wait at the casino, they simply should play at home virtually and go to casino when their system lost a lot on the paper, they would save time.

Exactly. Only thing is this. No math system can gain an advantage over the house. No system based on patterns can beat the house simply because whatever pattern you saw is in the past and whatever comes next has the same odds you have been playing from the start.

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Posted: 15 August 2014 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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Live roulette dealer which would spin on whole all the time so paterns might work, but the dealers changed approximately every 30 minutes, so to prevent from getting quality paterns not effective enough to collect information spin amount which got that about 30min time zone

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Posted: 16 August 2014 05:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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pauli1976 - 15 August 2014 01:51 PM

Live roulette dealer which would spin on whole all the time so paterns might work, but the dealers changed approximately every 30 minutes, so to prevent from getting quality paterns not effective enough to collect information spin amount which got that about 30min time zone

I wasn’t referring to dealer signature. I was referring to so-called patterns in ec bets

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Posted: 15 September 2014 06:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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Got to reply, why do some of you guys have such strong opinions which you are allowed, but us system players and virtual bets are put down.
If we knew, in the history or roulette, the longest a dozen ever went vacant was say 40 spins, we could wait 20 virtual loses and devise a 20 step progression for spins 20-40, og course i understand 3 main things, 1. I may be waiting a very very very long time to get the virtual loses needed to start for real, 2. just because the current record is 40, their is no reason it can’t go to 41 or 50, hell even 100, 3. The payout is the payout = profit. The odds/payout are the same weather you are a system player, AP’er, VB or whatever, you don;t get better rates or more pay if you win a spin.

On point number 2, so ive waited hours/days for 20 virtual loses to occur, so i start my 20 step progression, If it goes past 40, i would personally say ‘well done roulette, well done, you got me’ but the fact that in BILLIONS and BILLIONS of spins ever it has never got past 40 is enough for me to take the risk. and whatever anyone says its better than just approaching the table and putting money on from bet 1.

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Posted: 16 September 2014 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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tezza12 - 15 September 2014 06:28 PM

Got to reply, why do some of you guys have such strong opinions which you are allowed, but us system players and virtual bets are put down.
If we knew, in the history or roulette, the longest a dozen ever went vacant was say 40 spins, we could wait 20 virtual loses and devise a 20 step progression for spins 20-40, og course i understand 3 main things, 1. I may be waiting a very very very long time to get the virtual loses needed to start for real, 2. just because the current record is 40, their is no reason it can’t go to 41 or 50, hell even 100, 3. The payout is the payout = profit. The odds/payout are the same weather you are a system player, AP’er, VB or whatever, you don;t get better rates or more pay if you win a spin.

On point number 2, so ive waited hours/days for 20 virtual loses to occur, so i start my 20 step progression, If it goes past 40, i would personally say ‘well done roulette, well done, you got me’ but the fact that in BILLIONS and BILLIONS of spins ever it has never got past 40 is enough for me to take the risk. and whatever anyone says its better than just approaching the table and putting money on from bet 1.

The maximum sleeping spins for a dozen or column is 28 spins. And that’s the rarest occasion. For a set of 3 corner bets (one in its dozen), is about 35 spins. For a single corner bet it’s 74 spins. A double street about 60 spins. When you see a dozen sleeping for 25 spins by all means you can bet the maximum you can afford. It would be sad to miss such a tremendous opportunity. If you hang around a casino for 8 hours observing several roulettes, you will probably notice somewhere a dozen missing for 22-25 spins. Then go ALL IN. I don’t think that a player will be breaking the record every time he starts betting after this the condition develops. It is a well known fact that 12 scattered numbers behave differently than 12 numbers that belong in the same group. (dozen or column). 12 numbers can sleep for 40 spins very easily. However for a dozen to be sleeping that long it will take years to see it and that’s in all roulettes in the world. The same is true for 12 contiguous numbers on the wheel itself. Technically after a dozen failed to show up for 25 spins, the probability to show up next is 33%. Or the other 2 to continue spinning up 66%. In reality however there is an underlining power that forces the missing entity to finally show up. Experience over long observations has proven this fact to be true.
There is such a thing as something is DUE. The secret is knowing the absence limits of that something.
Math experts came up with GAMBLER’S FALLACY (can someone name a math authority that signs this fact?). Most likely this fallacy was born by players who had one thing in common. Losing.
Whoever came up with this doctrine, and its subsequent followers, math experts or not, they based it on the most widely used player behavior. That is start the non stop betting as soon as you get to the table. Non stop till you lose it all or win a desired amount. I’m sure if those experts take into account the rare few players (maybe 1 in 1000),  that are willing to wait patiently for hours, they would revise the gambler’s fallacy by adding a few exceptions.

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Posted: 16 September 2014 07:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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You system players put the system down???? Those systems borned when roulette borned.

Do you at least get that you have 0.9% of luck to see 10 times the same colour in a row but that you have around 98% of luck to observe it after 4000spins (you really think that you have 0.9% to see that pattern?? Oh yes i got it, you will send a friend to the casino with your money in order the roulette can’t remember you, that’s the next hint? smile

A record is made to be beaten so use virtual loses is useless, you cannot know when it will be beaten.

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Posted: 16 September 2014 08:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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Chip-hunter - 16 September 2014 07:13 AM

You system players put the system down???? Those systems borned when roulette borned.

Do you at least get that you have 0.9% of luck to see 10 times the same colour in a row but that you have around 98% of luck to observe it after 4000spins (you really think that you have 0.9% to see that pattern?? Oh yes i got it, you will send a friend to the casino with your money in order the roulette can’t remember you, that’s the next hint? smile

A record is made to be beaten so use virtual loses is useless, you cannot know when it will be beaten.

Your missing my point, My point is, i know the wheel has no memory and each spin is individual, and that records can and are broken. If i choose to wait 20 losses before betting and then loose another 20 then fair play to the roulette, it has beaten me, but in BILLIONS and BILLIONS of spins it has never got near the 40 mark, i accept it can, i accept it might, but id have to be literally the unluckiest person on the planet if it did happen. I very often deposit just £5 and turn it in to £100 in 3-4 days, yet 99.9% of players deposit £100 and are happy earning £5 a day.

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Posted: 16 September 2014 10:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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Hey Tezza,

Well actually you know when i say you have 0.9% of luck to meet this serial the first 10 spins you’ll play. So we could consider that you’d be very unlucky to meet this serial the first time, still it will happen (mean) to 1 person/1024.

And of course (1/1024) is just a mean, 50% of the time it will happen after, and 50% of the time it will happen before. Imagine how unlucky someone is when he’ll meet 20 times the same coulour in a row, and of course it could be his first 20 spins…

As i said upper, an unprobable event (like 10 Red in a row) has 0.9% of luck to come out. In a tiny sample of 4000 spins it has 98% of luck to come out = An unprobable event becomes very probable when you increase the size of the sample (more you play) and you will finally see what you think it is not possible to see because you’re thinking as if it was your first 10 spins everytime.

You get my point?

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