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Posted: 09 January 2015 04:20 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Hi there

My name is Mike and I have just joined this forum.  About 3 - 4 years ago I was quite interestd in AP methods, particularly VB.  My first encounter was a few years further back when I met a retired croupier who demonstrated his ability to hit sections on a wheel and I have been interested ever since.

I am fully aware of Bias play and how it has evolved over the years,  and how it would be pretty difficult today to apply the methods that Barnhart? wrote about a few years back. I have a basic understanding of how to go about looking for bias in modern wheels, principally through the posts of snowman at Gamblers glenn and Vls forums.  I think that bias play was probably the first real method to beat the roulette wheel and is likely to be the last.  It is an area that I think i would like to look into in the future.

I have toyed with VB in the past at casinos but the whole experience was inconclusive at the time and I was probably pretty obvious and guilty looking.  I stopped pursuing this avenue as I considered that to further my studies I would need a wheel,  and being a man of limited means decided I would have to wait.  I found that video spins can be great but you cant test out ideas that need controlled conditions, unless you spend hours trawling and editing video clips.

I understand the principles of VB pretty well and have read the likes of Scott, Jafco and Pawlikki.  I am seduced by Foresters VB2 I think that it is very clever and a different approach to other methods that I have read,  regardless of its slow rotor speed limitation, which is no problem to me as I live in the UK,  (at least it wasnt a couple of years back) I also think that this limitation could probably be tweaked out with some thought. using this method I find the jafco videos a snap.  It seems that there are many ways to skin the prediction cat.

One of the reasons that I stopped with VB was that I considered that a game with a single dominant drop was becoming rarer and I didn’t know how to cater for multiple drops.  I had thought of overlapping numbers as a concept, particularly if the wheel is at a sweet speed, and later read something similar in Jafcos material. However I have always considered it would be in the players interest to be able to estimate which diamond would hit, if they could do this then they could go with the diamond with the least random scatter and only bet those spins,  surely this would increase their edge.  Ideally to know where on the diamond it would hit would be a bonus. allegedly computers can do this,  but I am convinced that the wheel will also tell it in the simple patterns that the ball makes at certain points during the spin.  I have also heard rumours that there are people that can do this, so I figure that I am on the right line.  of course without a wheel there isn’t an easy way to test these ideas out.

This Christmas,  right out of the blue,  my girlfriend, bought me a secondhand wheel.  to you folks it may be a nothing,  but to me it is perfect.  as far as I can tell it is a Cammegh connosiuer.  the velstone ball track may need a little attention but the rotor bearing is great,  way better than Stephanos Mk7 Huxley.(on his videos)  there is slight damage to the cone and a few scrapes around the outside,plus a chip in the bowl, but I am more than happy,  particularly as they were the wheels of choice at my local casino.  I reckon that I have learnt more just looking at and cleaning this thing, over the last couple of weeks, than many years of looking at videos and reading.  So now my interest in the subject has been re ignited.

I do worry that studying VB now puts me slightly late at the table,  I suspect that I am on the cheese course,  but still have coffee to go and with luck a bloody good speaker who will take hours.

I have tried to be honest and frank about where I am in roulette,  I know my limitations in knowledge and abilities and I don’t want to BS anyone here.  I also will have a couple of questions that I will bring up in separate threads.

Mike

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Posted: 16 January 2015 03:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Realy nice intro and what a nice girlfriend you have to buy you a wheel, welcome.

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Posted: 16 January 2015 05:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Hi Shadowman,

I’m Snowman.

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Posted: 16 January 2015 10:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Houston - 16 January 2015 05:03 PM

Hi Shadowman,

I’m Snowman.

WOW ! and a Roulette Pro. too .you ceratinly keep things close to your chest ,  Houston -  Snowman - Caleb - whatever .
and what are your Usernames in other forums ?and how many forums and how many usernames ?
and is Caleb Johnson your real name or another username ?

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Posted: 17 January 2015 02:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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scepticus - 16 January 2015 10:37 PM
Houston - 16 January 2015 05:03 PM

Hi Shadowman,

I’m Snowman.

WOW ! and a Roulette Pro. too .you ceratinly keep things close to your chest ,  Houston -  Snowman - Caleb - whatever .
and what are your Usernames in other forums ?and how many forums and how many usernames ?
and is Caleb Johnson your real name or another username ?

I do not see the relevance of your questions. So what if he has different usernames on different forums? He isn’t pretending to be different people. As usual your posts are irrelevant and childish.

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Posted: 17 January 2015 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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What is amusing is that Scepticus was recently banned for using multiple user names in order to promote his system on Wizardofvegas.com forum

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Posted: 17 January 2015 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Houston - 17 January 2015 09:24 AM

What is amusing is that Scepticus was recently banned for using multiple user names in order to promote his system on Wizardofvegas.com forum

lol

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Posted: 17 January 2015 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Houston - 17 January 2015 09:24 AM

What is amusing is that Scepticus was recently banned for using multiple user names in order to promote his system on Wizardofvegas.com forum

That explains the hostile response when I recently suggested he post there for a mathematical assessment of one of his systems.

Honestly, I think he was banned on a technicality. He joined in late 2013 and posted occasionally, mostly under the Betting Systems section, which carries a warning label there. Then on August 8th last year, he created a “Reducing the House Edge” thread, which was active, but only for a day. That was the last day he posted, then on November 23rd, he bumped the thread to post a link to his site, but he used a newly created account, which violated the rule prohibiting duplicate accounts.

Had he simply used his original account, there shouldn’t have been a problem, but I think they opted to ban both accounts primarily because they were annoyed by the content of his posts. He seemed well-behaved, they just didn’t like his ideas.

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Posted: 17 January 2015 10:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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polyester - 17 January 2015 10:21 AM
Houston - 17 January 2015 09:24 AM

What is amusing is that Scepticus was recently banned for using multiple user names in order to promote his system on Wizardofvegas.com forum

That explains the hostile response when I recently suggested he post there for a mathematical assessment of one of his systems.

Honestly, I think he was banned on a technicality. He joined in late 2013 and posted occasionally, mostly under the Betting Systems section, which carries a warning label there. Then on August 8th last year, he created a “Reducing the House Edge” thread, which was active, but only for a day. That was the last day he posted, then on November 23rd, he bumped the thread to post a link to his site, but he used a newly created account, which violated the rule prohibiting duplicate accounts.

Had he simply used his original account, there shouldn’t have been a problem, but I think they opted to ban both accounts primarily because they were annoyed by the content of his posts. He seemed well-behaved, they just didn’t like his ideas.

That sounds mean! Why they bann the guy who is polite? He could just forget his original account after so long..  Some forums do infact have low torelance after all..

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Posted: 17 January 2015 11:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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sergiy - 17 January 2015 10:45 AM

That sounds mean! Why they bann the guy who is polite? He could just forget his original account after so long..  Some forums do infact have low torelance after all..

It is harsh, but he did give them an easy excuse because it was a clear rule violation.

I think their attitude is that the site exists to provide information, whereas systems players only provide MISinformation.

Personally, I enjoy hearing all viewpoints, so if I ever start my own forum, Scepticus will receive a special invitation smile

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Posted: 17 January 2015 01:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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polyester - 17 January 2015 11:33 AM
sergiy - 17 January 2015 10:45 AM

That sounds mean! Why they bann the guy who is polite? He could just forget his original account after so long..  Some forums do infact have low torelance after all..

It is harsh, but he did give them an easy excuse because it was a clear rule violation.

I think their attitude is that the site exists to provide information, whereas systems players only provide MISinformation.

Personally, I enjoy hearing all viewpoints, so if I ever start my own forum, Scepticus will receive a special invitation smile

Scepticus becomes popular…  Why would you start your own forum? People who winn, have no time for that..

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Posted: 17 January 2015 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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sergiy - 17 January 2015 01:11 PM

Why would you start your own forum? People who winn, have no time for that..

I’m not a winner. I don’t know how to beat roulette, therefore I don’t play it.

But I don’t plan to start a forum. We have enough forums already.

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Posted: 17 January 2015 02:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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polyester - 17 January 2015 11:33 AM
sergiy - 17 January 2015 10:45 AM

That sounds mean! Why they bann the guy who is polite? He could just forget his original account after so long..  Some forums do infact have low torelance after all..

It is harsh, but he did give them an easy excuse because it was a clear rule violation.

I think their attitude is that the site exists to provide information, whereas systems players only provide MISinformation.

Personally, I enjoy hearing all viewpoints, so if I ever start my own forum, Scepticus will receive a special invitation smile

Not harsh at all. It is a well known scam and spam policy to have multiple usernames and answer on your own thread as multiple people. Obviously trying to pretend to be different people and therefore giving yourself positive answers and therefore promoting whatever you are selling. There is a difference between having different usernames on different forums and having multiple usernames on one forum. If you did forget your username and started a new one you would say so in your first post and not pretend you are someone else. I belong to three forums. Not one off them I have the same username. Imagine I call myself vb meister on a sportscar forum for instance…. what is the point?

Honestly I have never liked scep and I am sure he does not like me either. Nothing said about him would amaze me…... well having said that…. except if someone said he actually made money from roulette or that he actually knew what he was talking about…. well no danger in that. No worry of being amazed… for sure!

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Posted: 17 January 2015 02:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I think that bias play was probably the first real method to beat the roulette wheel and is likely to be the last.  It is an area that I think i would like to look into in the future.

It is simple way - better or worse depends on you and on situattion. But on bias you never will get such edge which you can get in VB .
Maybe simple to recognise - VB is to hard and because of that i want play bias…

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Posted: 17 January 2015 02:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Hello shadowman,

Sorry about the hijack. I’ve never studied VB or bias, although I did read Eudaemonic Pie without falling asleep once.

(It was twice, actually.)

If I may ask, you say several years ago you witnessed a demonstration by a retired croupier. What type of accuracy rate did he achieve? Did it approach 100%, or was it merely slightly better than random chance?

Here in the States, dice control seems to have been a recent fad, but the remaining proponents don’t appear credible to me. They seem more like degenerate gamblers than disciplined advantage players.

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Posted: 17 January 2015 02:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Sorry about the hijack. I’ve never studied VB or bias, although I did read Eudaemonic Pie without falling asleep once.

The same you can say “i never drinked bear , but i drinked many cups of coffe in mine life and because of that can be expert “.
Maybe can but not sure where….

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