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Posted: 18 January 2015 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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You have the peak at 678 and the attack window is three attempts after 5 uniq numbers.
Why and how they correlate you have to ask Snowman

All is very easy to solve mathematicaly - simply take much enough spins write simple program which will chek if there are some advantage. I done that and found that there are no any diference and i can prove that mathematically. The only thing is that if we have some bias and look to some amount of last numbers we have more chances to see in them theese biased numbers than not biased, that is all benefit… but it not enough that to use that.
Are other methods functions which really works. All that is simply mathematick, physick, so all is not hard to solve with formulas.

Better believe in formulas than what say Snowman. I not know how he bu,t some guy from his group very often specially say for publick totally stupid things with aim simply have laugh from theese which will read smile

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Posted: 18 January 2015 07:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Thanks AP,  wow a whole thread on it.  Realplayer,  I take on board what you say thanks.
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Posted: 18 January 2015 11:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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shadowman - 18 January 2015 07:21 AM

Thanks AP,  wow a whole thread on it.  Realplayer,  I take on board what you say thanks.
Mike

At last some discussiion without any arsehole putdowns .Long may it continue .

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Posted: 18 January 2015 03:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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ello Mike ...

Snowman write about the past 5 numbers method at wizard of odds forum ” The Truth, In a Way, The Past Numbers To Have Hit Do Matter “

Here is the link
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/2825-the-truth-in-a-way-the-past-numbers-to-have-hit-do-matter/

You should read scotty81s reply at page 7 (Laurance Scott) that agree with Keyser (Snowman) but ther is some exceptions.
Like you need a wheel with a dominant drop and a chi square around 55 and so on ... for the method to work ...


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Guys,

The above, playing the last five numbers to have hit, may only reduce the house edge at times.  It will rarely over come it.  It is not an AP method.  You would be far better off defect spotting and/or tracking a wheel for bias or playing visual ballistics.


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Posted: 23 January 2015 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Ok i also discused about that with Snowman. But lets think this way - why then 5 not 4 not 6 or some other number ? I analysed with bias program many thousands of spins from real casinos and created for miself more realistick law which number have more chances to be hited and that law really gives advantage but law is always corected by past numbers sequence, so that is not universal law but some kind functtion.-Real Player

When did we talk? 

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Posted: 23 January 2015 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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When did we talk?


I think several years back.

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Posted: 23 January 2015 08:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Better believe in formulas than what say Snowman. I not know how he bu,t some guy from his group very often specially say for publick totally stupid things with aim simply have laugh from theese which will read smile-Realplayer


@Realplayer,

To what guy are you referring?


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Posted: 23 January 2015 08:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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@Realplayer,

To what guy are you referring?

What is diference, maybe i had you in minde. Or some other, but which you know. Lets read what is essence . And essence is why 5, not 4 and not 6 smile

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Posted: 23 January 2015 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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For starters, I’m not recommending that anyone should attempt to get an edge like that.

Technically, three is better than four, and four is better than five.

Over millions of trails, five just popped up as being a bit more successful on some models of wheels and because of certain types of bias.  That’s all.

I can go into in depth discussions as to why you should be on five, and not six, etc…, but there would be no point to it, and most people wouldn’t understand it. 

My entire point behind it was that the best that an ignorant player could hope to do, without pen and paper, or some means by which to track the numbers, was to simply bet the last three to five numbers.  The reason is that there’s the off chance that a wheel could be biased and or a DS type of effect could be at work.  If a wheel was biased, there would be a slightly greater chance that the player would be on one of the biased numbers rather than one of the negatively biased numbers.  The flip side is that playing the coldest numbers would be a way by which the player could actually lose at a rate that could exceed the house edge.  When wheel bias is present, certain biased numbers tend to clump based on wheel speed, spin direction, ball drop distribution and strike angles, ball being used, etc…

Of course simply betting the last five numbers is not by any means an efficient way in which to exploit a wheel bias.  When it comes to wheel bias, I do consider myself to be an expert.

Like you need a wheel with a dominant drop and a chi square around 55 and so on ... for the method to work ...

By the way, in the above quote, someone mentioned the chi square value as being around 55 or so.  When talking about chi square it’s important to specify what the chi square value sample size is.  For example, a chi square of 55 at 1000 spins is more significant at 1000 spins than a chi square of 55 at 100k spins.  If a wheel is biased then the chi square will usually keep growing as the spin sample grows larger and larger.

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Posted: 23 January 2015 08:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Houston - 23 January 2015 08:14 PM

Better believe in formulas than what say Snowman. I not know how he bu,t some guy from his group very often specially say for publick totally stupid things with aim simply have laugh from theese which will read smile-Realplayer


@Realplayer,

To what guy are you referring?


-Houston/Snowman

  This is priceless! Again with the selective memory!
  What you can’t read either “SNONMAN”?

  Don’t remember this either?

  ” Houston has nothing to do with the challenge, he only posted the link and tried to
    point that he’s correct in his logic no system can win in the long run, but when I
    agreed but only based on a personal side bets all his next post where void of any
    respond. If your really interested, just contact the site author who posted the
    challenge. If you decide to take up the challenge just make certain you have a
    good lawyer handle the escow account and all the written rules must be agreed
    upon. I asked my lawyer and it wouldn’t cost much! My only interest was to silence
    the big mouth and it appear it has for he completely disappeared from my offer
    without even a response. So don’t bother with that end, go directly to the source
    of the challenge. ” 

    Your some piece of work, go find the other post which this refers to, but
    you don’t have to because you know EXACTLY what I’m talking about!!!!!
    I proved Tomuen a complete fool and liar with his own words, the same
    way I did with RoulettePro 1, and just like them I proved your Last Five
    Number system was a complete joke, funny how you keep changing the
    the wording over and over. You originally said it could possibly overtake
    the HE and never mentioned it had to be a biased wheel, then as people
    and myself showed what a hypocrite you were stating hundreds of times
    no ones system would overcome the HE, but then post of your absolutely
    ridiculous “Last 5 Number” system and now it “COULD” at times overcome
    the House Edge!! My silly strategy can’t win with almost a 50% probability
    and no one else’s could either, but you the KNOW IT ALL could affect
    the HE with only about a 14% probability. You can’t side step probability and
    the same goes true when your a liar and a phony!!!!! Perfect name for you is
    “Snowman”, for you’ve been snowing everyone with your know it all phony
    manner!  The TRUTH can only be told one way!!!!!!!  Louie the Ching-A-LING!

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Posted: 23 January 2015 08:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Chingy,

What challenge???
Do you have some kind of link or something that you can post?  I still have no idea as to what you’re talking about.

Last 5 Number” system and now it “COULD” at times overcome
  the House Edge!

By the way, the above quote is accurate.  On some wheels it could.

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Posted: 24 January 2015 01:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Houston - 23 January 2015 08:59 PM

Chingy,

What challenge???
Do you have some kind of link or something that you can post?  I still have no idea as to what you’re talking about.

Last 5 Number” system and now it “COULD” at times overcome
  the House Edge!

By the way, the above quote is accurate.  On some wheels it could.

Of course , Houston, ANY system can win - sometimes - but your 5 Number bet is NOT an AP system is it   ?
And that is the nub of Chingy’s argument !

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Posted: 24 January 2015 01:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Of course , Houston, ANY system can win - sometimes - but your 5 Number bet is NOT an AP system is it   ?
And that is the nub of Chingy’s argument !

 

I never said that it was an AP system.  It is simply a way by which the player could reduce the house edge on some wheels.  On some wheels, it could even provide the player with a small edge.


Playing the hottest numbers on a wheel is a way by which a person can reduce the house edge on some wheels.
The flip side is playing the coldest numbers is a way by which a person could actually lose at a rate that could exceed the house edge on some wheels.
Playing the most recent numbers to have hit simply gives you a slightly better chance of being on the hot numbers. 

I once offered to put up the $25,000 I was
  up early in the Chingy, a personal wager between me and you and shut the fuck right up
  with all your excuses.-Chingy


Chingy was also going on about some kind of $25k that he was up or something in some kind of challenge.  Do you have any idea as to what he’s talking about?
At this point, Chingy is ducking and dodging the question for some reason.

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Posted: 24 January 2015 03:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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[And our point was that you ridicule methods other than AP and them offer this AS   A METHOD !
Doesn’t my Birthday Method do the same as your 5 Number bet ? If I am a dumbass aren’t you one too ?
So why don’t you guys stop ridiculing others on the forum ? Because you certainly don’t know more about roulette than we do .

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Posted: 24 January 2015 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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If I am a dumbass aren’t you one too ?-Scepticus


Scepticus,

For reasons which I’ve already stated, you should know the difference between your birthday method, and simply betting the last five numbers.  I’ve explained in enough detail that someone of average intelligence should be able figure out why one should perform better than the other.  So I’m sorry, but I have will have to say that you’re the only one that’s a “dumbass”.

 

 

 

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