hi can someone suggest a progression about two d streets betting

specifcally bet 4 numbersand 2 double str total 6 units , in a sense that when d str coming cover my bet , and minimize my losses when dont hit the 4 numbers for some spins , ofcourse when 4 numbers section hit iam plus and i need only 2 or 3 consecutive wins to stop as a winner and start over, do u think if i use some kind of progression ONLY in 2 d streets it will be a better way to play i ll be glad to hear your thoughts about that . best regards pete

Petespin, you start to think right direction,  but you are going to use wrong tools. As in your example, you are betting 2 selections of 1:3 and 4 selections of 1:36 . All your betts in this case have negative expectation, so more numbers bett, more bankroll gonna be exposed to HE. You idea to maximise hittrate is good dow.
Way to beat this game is only one, you have to reverce this expectation from beeng negative,  to beeng positive. For that you have to predict where ball will stop. If your predictions are good, you will have same hittrate of larger section on your smaller section betts for encreased pay off ( less number you bett, more you pay off).
You could study any way of AP like ds, vb, bias play… all of them do same thing, they permit to have hittrate of larger selection of numbers ( section) on smaller section. If you achieve it, odds gonna be effectively reverced in your favor and game will become more pleasant.

hi sergiy thank u for your response but about AP of course i really want to study it burt there is one thing that ilke to know about and is the precentage of accuracy in the predictions supposed that i have [win rate]  and can i use it in auto machines too , i know thatb you re AP PLAYER so how can i start learning . would you suggest me thank u best regards pete

Pete, to start l would advice to have a look in Jafco, Masterroulette,  Lourence Scott books.. 
These will give you fondation for your understanding and if you will take your time to read them and master their knolidge,  its enough to make money.
I could say that AP is only reliable way to winn in any game, including roulette as well. We are human,  only thing that separates us from other animals is ability to think abstractly and calculate what we are doing.
Autoroulette is all other level of game. You better know how to beat normall roulette wheels, befor you approach these… some can play deliberately ageinst your betts

you mean auto wheels posibly have some kind of ‘countermeasures’ , to make u win more difficult , and is masterroulette a good start for me thank u pete

and what about a kind of electr device like metronome to calculate wherev the ball lands , somebody told me buying something for 20000 dollars and it works great 9 out of 10 spins was accurate what is your knowledge about it

sergiy - 16 January 2015 11:09 AM

Pete, to start l would advice to have a look in Jafco, Masterroulette,  Lourence Scott books.. 
These will give you fondation for your understanding and if you will take your time to read them and master their knolidge,  its enough to make money.
I could say that AP is only reliable way to winn in any game, including roulette as well. We are human,  only thing that separates us from other animals is ability to think abstractly and calculate what we are doing.
Autoroulette is all other level of game. You better know how to beat normall roulette wheels, befor you approach these… some can play deliberately ageinst your betts

Where is your evidence that AP is the ONLY reliable way to win roulette ? Just how do you use your abstract thinking to beat the house Edge ? Yes , IF you could do the things you claim you would win but where is the evidence that you guys do any better than others ? The aim of the gambler is to win more than he loses and if he does that he is a winner, no matter what method he uses .

petespin - 16 January 2015 11:22 AM

and what about a kind of electr device like metronome to calculate wherev the ball lands , somebody told me buying something for 20000 dollars and it works great 9 out of 10 spins was accurate what is your knowledge about it

Metronome is good to help you with timings. You can get one on your phone, or buy one from amazon for 10 pound maximum.
Stay away from scams and do not look for easy ways, at the end of the jorney you will be rewarded.

scepticus - 16 January 2015 12:09 PM

sergiy - 16 January 2015 11:09 AM

Pete, to start l would advice to have a look in Jafco, Masterroulette,  Lourence Scott books.. 
These will give you fondation for your understanding and if you will take your time to read them and master their knolidge,  its enough to make money.
I could say that AP is only reliable way to winn in any game, including roulette as well. We are human,  only thing that separates us from other animals is ability to think abstractly and calculate what we are doing.
Autoroulette is all other level of game. You better know how to beat normall roulette wheels, befor you approach these… some can play deliberately ageinst your betts

Where is your evidence that AP is the ONLY reliable way to win roulette ? Just how do you use your abstract thinking to beat the house Edge ? Yes , IF you could do the things you claim you would win but where is the evidence that you guys do any better than others ? The aim of the gambler is to win more than he loses and if he does that he is a winner, no matter what method he uses .

Scepticus,  if you understand the method, if it answers reliably for qwestions like ” when?”, “why?”, and ” how?”, then its reliable method. Its becose you can rely on it. Abstract thinking helps you to create model of the situation. If you can model, you can understand reasons and answer to the qwestion ” why?”. Hope it helps.

hi can u describe what is legal and what not , could casinos dont allow u to play if use electr devices thank u peter

petespin - 16 January 2015 02:49 PM

hi can u describe what is legal and what not , could casinos dont allow u to play if use electr devices thank u peter

Pete, you have to determine what is legal in your location of play yourself. In some places you can use them, in some you are not authorised.  However there are a lot of methods that you can use to timing. Try something like count 123..123…123..ets. You could training at home your timing method , befor going to casinos…hope it helps.

i think the most hard part is the ball scatter and has to do ith many factors as the size ball, the number of the diamonds are usedin every particular wheel etc   i have to work hard in several directions to become A P thank u for your advices

sergiy - 16 January 2015 01:09 PM

scepticus - 16 January 2015 12:09 PM

sergiy - 16 January 2015 11:09 AM

Pete, to start l would advice to have a look in Jafco, Masterroulette,  Lourence Scott books.. 
These will give you fondation for your understanding and if you will take your time to read them and master their knolidge,  its enough to make money.
I could say that AP is only reliable way to winn in any game, including roulette as well. We are human,  only thing that separates us from other animals is ability to think abstractly and calculate what we are doing.
Autoroulette is all other level of game. You better know how to beat normall roulette wheels, befor you approach these… some can play deliberately ageinst your betts

Where is your evidence that AP is the ONLY reliable way to win roulette ? Just how do you use your abstract thinking to beat the house Edge ? Yes , IF you could do the things you claim you would win but where is the evidence that you guys do any better than others ? The aim of the gambler is to win more than he loses and if he does that he is a winner, no matter what method he uses .

Scepticus,  if you understand the method, if it answers reliably for qwestions like ” when?”, “why?”, and ” how?”, then its reliable method. Its becose you can rely on it. Abstract thinking helps you to create model of the situation. If you can model, you can understand reasons and answer to the qwestion ” why?”. Hope it helps.

So tell me your answer to “when “.
I have previously posted here’
I had six stout serving men
They taught me all I knew
Their names were What and Where and When
And How and Why and Who
So I know about abstract thinking. What I am saying here, Sergy, is that neither you nor the other
AP guys here can actually do all the calculations necessary before No More Bets. If Brainboxes like Shannon
and Thorp couldn’t do it without the aid of an electronic device I don’t think you guys can.You guys can Talk the Talk but can you Walk The Walk ?

scepticus - 16 January 2015 04:08 PM

sergiy - 16 January 2015 01:09 PM

scepticus - 16 January 2015 12:09 PM

sergiy - 16 January 2015 11:09 AM

Pete, to start l would advice to have a look in Jafco, Masterroulette,  Lourence Scott books.. 
These will give you fondation for your understanding and if you will take your time to read them and master their knolidge,  its enough to make money.
I could say that AP is only reliable way to winn in any game, including roulette as well. We are human,  only thing that separates us from other animals is ability to think abstractly and calculate what we are doing.
Autoroulette is all other level of game. You better know how to beat normall roulette wheels, befor you approach these… some can play deliberately ageinst your betts

Where is your evidence that AP is the ONLY reliable way to win roulette ? Just how do you use your abstract thinking to beat the house Edge ? Yes , IF you could do the things you claim you would win but where is the evidence that you guys do any better than others ? The aim of the gambler is to win more than he loses and if he does that he is a winner, no matter what method he uses .

Scepticus,  if you understand the method, if it answers reliably for qwestions like ” when?”, “why?”, and ” how?”, then its reliable method. Its becose you can rely on it. Abstract thinking helps you to create model of the situation. If you can model, you can understand reasons and answer to the qwestion ” why?”. Hope it helps.

So tell me your answer to “when “.

You have to ask your data that qwestion and not me. Data it taken to aswer these qwestions. When data says” yes” and wheel says ” yes” , player betts.

sergiy - 16 January 2015 04:17 PM

scepticus - 16 January 2015 04:08 PM

sergiy - 16 January 2015 01:09 PM

scepticus - 16 January 2015 12:09 PM

sergiy - 16 January 2015 11:09 AM

Pete, to start l would advice to have a look in Jafco, Masterroulette,  Lourence Scott books.. 
These will give you fondation for your understanding and if you will take your time to read them and master their knolidge,  its enough to make money.
I could say that AP is only reliable way to winn in any game, including roulette as well. We are human,  only thing that separates us from other animals is ability to think abstractly and calculate what we are doing.
Autoroulette is all other level of game. You better know how to beat normall roulette wheels, befor you approach these… some can play deliberately ageinst your betts

Where is your evidence that AP is the ONLY reliable way to win roulette ? Just how do you use your abstract thinking to beat the house Edge ? Yes , IF you could do the things you claim you would win but where is the evidence that you guys do any better than others ? The aim of the gambler is to win more than he loses and if he does that he is a winner, no matter what method he uses .

Scepticus,  if you understand the method, if it answers reliably for qwestions like ” when?”, “why?”, and ” how?”, then its reliable method. Its becose you can rely on it. Abstract thinking helps you to create model of the situation. If you can model, you can understand reasons and answer to the qwestion ” why?”. Hope it helps.

So tell me your answer to “when “.

You have to ask your data that qwestion and not me. Data it taken to aswer these qwestions. When data says” yes” and wheel says ” yes” , player betts.

What “Data ” ?Previous numbers ?