In the last 10 days I went only 3 times to the casino so in 3 trips I made 3500, which comes out to a little more than $1150 per visit. 

Going again today.  Will let you all know how it goes. 

Sergiy whom are you referring to as “lying bastard”?

Gambler13 - 04 September 2015 09:00 AM

In the last 10 days I went only 3 times to the casino so in 3 trips I made 3500, which comes out to a little more than $1150 per visit. 

Going again today.  Will let you all know how it goes. 

Sergiy whom are you referring to as “lying bastard”?

If eventually someday you will be able to make any money at all from roulette, you will figure it out. But for now just consider one thing. Your lying is so obvious that it’s not even interesting what you say next.

Ok so you think I am lying then what is your opinion on AZ player? Is he lying also?

sergiy - 04 September 2015 06:17 AM

VB Meister - 04 September 2015 06:01 AM

Gambler13 - 03 September 2015 01:30 PM

Well no need to keep talking about my winnings, but in the last 10 days I have made 3500.

Which is 350 a day…... what happened to br of 400 to 500 and clearing 1400 to 1500 a day? My guess is that you failed right?

lm happy to make even 350 on daily basis.  Not many players can do it. Why do you consider it fail? I personally think that guy is big fat lying bastard,  and l give him no credibility whatsoever. But making fun of other people playing lower denominations is unpolite. Last 3 days l averaged 325 per day, playing 0.5 per number 2 hours every day, does it make my play fail in your opinion?

Well what I meant was he claimed to win 3 days in a row if memory serves right. Which would be like 3000… so what happened the other 7 days? Made 500?  In seven days?  Sounds to me like it is failing.

VB Meister - 04 September 2015 10:03 AM

sergiy - 04 September 2015 06:17 AM

VB Meister - 04 September 2015 06:01 AM

Gambler13 - 03 September 2015 01:30 PM

Well no need to keep talking about my winnings, but in the last 10 days I have made 3500.

Which is 350 a day…... what happened to br of 400 to 500 and clearing 1400 to 1500 a day? My guess is that you failed right?

lm happy to make even 350 on daily basis.  Not many players can do it. Why do you consider it fail? I personally think that guy is big fat lying bastard,  and l give him no credibility whatsoever. But making fun of other people playing lower denominations is unpolite. Last 3 days l averaged 325 per day, playing 0.5 per number 2 hours every day, does it make my play fail in your opinion?

Well what I meant was he claimed to win 3 days in a row if memory serves right. Which would be like 3000… so what happened the other 7 days? Made 500?  In seven days?  Sounds to me like it is failing.

Something similar used to work before for some people, but it was long ego. Sins system update nobody could win with it anymore… it was 3-5 years ego.. not sure about exact date.

To publish the numbers chart would tell me enough, no need to explain your way of playing.

i will publish mine if AZplayer does.

500 in 1700 out.

I’m seeing a lot about RNG’s but there are two kinds: TRNGS (True) and PRNG’s (Pseudo).

Which ones are we talking about here?

The difference is that a True RNG generates the random numbers itself, in real time, without any algorithm to guide it.
An example would be the Lotto numbers, or the hundredths digit in a stock index.

A pseudo RNG might use the same source, but instead of generating the numbers in real time, it would use a list of the same numbers, but from two years ago.
They were still generated randomly, but the system in which they are being applied knows what they are going to be.

I’m also suspicious of the VegasStar machines.  They are not table games and would not be regulated as table games. They are classified as slot machines.
I live in Miami, FL, and we don’t have table games here, but slot machines are legal in some venues, such as converted pari-mutuel tracks and frontons. Slot machines are required to meet a set payout percentage, which may be as low as 85%.

Back in the first 100 years of the history of roulette, the wheel was recessed deep in the tables in the European casinos, rather like the craps tables today.
In America, this led to rigged wheels, with all kind of mechanical and magnetic levers and switches to direct the ball to or away from any particular slot. Some casinos wanted to prove they were honest, so they moved the wheel up on top of the table, allowing gamblers to see there was no hanky-panky.

The VegasStar machine is recessed in their case. The ball could have a steel core, and the various slots could be magnetized. I also can’t help noticing that the pockets on the wheel are high-profile, with deep dividers. These are to keep the ball in a slot once it has landed there. Table-game wheels are all low-profile, the pockets separated by raised frets (like on a guitar neck) which are raised just enough to stop the ball from rolling to the next number. Wheels went to low-profile after a team of gamblers exploiting the wheel biases of high-profile wheels won a few million at an Atlantic City casino.
I keep on remembering why the roulette wheels were moved to the table top.  The wheel can be rigged with a computer program which, after the betting has stopped, calculates the payouts of all the bets placed and then selects a number that yields the house a percentage that’s just above whatever the legal minimum payout is.  That wouldn’t even be illegal, it would just be the same thing all the other slot machines do.  It’s for this reason that I’m reluctant to play on these machines.

Does anyone have any knowledge if this is going on?

Don Daniels - 08 September 2015 12:31 AM

I’m seeing a lot about RNG’s but there are two kinds: TRNGS (True) and PRNG’s (Pseudo).

Which ones are we talking about here?

The difference is that a True RNG generates the random numbers itself, in real time, without any algorithm to guide it.
An example would be the Lotto numbers, or the hundredths digit in a stock index.

A pseudo RNG might use the same source, but instead of generating the numbers in real time, it would use a list of the same numbers, but from two years ago.
They were still generated randomly, but the system in which they are being applied knows what they are going to be.

I’m also suspicious of the VegasStar machines.  They are not table games and would not be regulated as table games. They are classified as slot machines.
I live in Miami, FL, and we don’t have table games here, but slot machines are legal in some venues, such as converted pari-mutuel tracks and frontons. Slot machines are required to meet a set payout percentage, which may be as low as 85%.

Back in the first 100 years of the history of roulette, the wheel was recessed deep in the tables in the European casinos, rather like the craps tables today.
In America, this led to rigged wheels, with all kind of mechanical and magnetic levers and switches to direct the ball to or away from any particular slot. Some casinos wanted to prove they were honest, so they moved the wheel up on top of the table, allowing gamblers to see there was no hanky-panky.

The VegasStar machine is recessed in their case. The ball could have a steel core, and the various slots could be magnetized. I also can’t help noticing that the pockets on the wheel are high-profile, with deep dividers. These are to keep the ball in a slot once it has landed there. Table-game wheels are all low-profile, the pockets separated by raised frets (like on a guitar neck) which are raised just enough to stop the ball from rolling to the next number. Wheels went to low-profile after a team of gamblers exploiting the wheel biases of high-profile wheels won a few million at an Atlantic City casino.
I keep on remembering why the roulette wheels were moved to the table top.  The wheel can be rigged with a computer program which, after the betting has stopped, calculates the payouts of all the bets placed and then selects a number that yields the house a percentage that’s just above whatever the legal minimum payout is.  That wouldn’t even be illegal, it would just be the same thing all the other slot machines do.  It’s for this reason that I’m reluctant to play on these machines.

Does anyone have any knowledge if this is going on?

Somebody thinking that casinos can be ” trusted” is idiot. Cheating is on different level now. We are living in technological age….

hi in gambling industry these 2 rngs cdombined , TRNG AND PRNG ,  idont think that can be used only the TRNG on its own , becoz then the results would be truly random , for example the seed proccess nowdays causes by external noises , or the player s last touch on the slot machine screen ! but there are a lot of more u ll be amazes if u knew as how machines are programmed , some guys that sell my slot and poker systems now know the truth about slots , and as about roulette , its not long time that a guy from uk reveal that new bookies roulette nachines they draw[rng] 9 numbers instead of 37 on every spin!

sergiy - 08 September 2015 04:39 AM

Don Daniels - 08 September 2015 12:31 AM

I’m seeing a lot about RNG’s but there are two kinds: TRNGS (True) and PRNG’s (Pseudo).

Which ones are we talking about here?

The difference is that a True RNG generates the random numbers itself, in real time, without any algorithm to guide it.
An example would be the Lotto numbers, or the hundredths digit in a stock index.

A pseudo RNG might use the same source, but instead of generating the numbers in real time, it would use a list of the same numbers, but from two years ago.
They were still generated randomly, but the system in which they are being applied knows what they are going to be.

I’m also suspicious of the VegasStar machines.  They are not table games and would not be regulated as table games. They are classified as slot machines.
I live in Miami, FL, and we don’t have table games here, but slot machines are legal in some venues, such as converted pari-mutuel tracks and frontons. Slot machines are required to meet a set payout percentage, which may be as low as 85%.

Back in the first 100 years of the history of roulette, the wheel was recessed deep in the tables in the European casinos, rather like the craps tables today.
In America, this led to rigged wheels, with all kind of mechanical and magnetic levers and switches to direct the ball to or away from any particular slot. Some casinos wanted to prove they were honest, so they moved the wheel up on top of the table, allowing gamblers to see there was no hanky-panky.

The VegasStar machine is recessed in their case. The ball could have a steel core, and the various slots could be magnetized. I also can’t help noticing that the pockets on the wheel are high-profile, with deep dividers. These are to keep the ball in a slot once it has landed there. Table-game wheels are all low-profile, the pockets separated by raised frets (like on a guitar neck) which are raised just enough to stop the ball from rolling to the next number. Wheels went to low-profile after a team of gamblers exploiting the wheel biases of high-profile wheels won a few million at an Atlantic City casino.
I keep on remembering why the roulette wheels were moved to the table top.  The wheel can be rigged with a computer program which, after the betting has stopped, calculates the payouts of all the bets placed and then selects a number that yields the house a percentage that’s just above whatever the legal minimum payout is.  That wouldn’t even be illegal, it would just be the same thing all the other slot machines do.  It’s for this reason that I’m reluctant to play on these machines.

Does anyone have any knowledge if this is going on?

Somebody thinking that casinos can be ” trusted” is idiot. Cheating is on different level now. We are living in technological age….

I totally agree with Sergiy.  Especially with facial recognition software and player card information.  The softwares are so much more sophisticated now more than ever. We have no idea.
As a friend and I were discussing, if we actually knew what casinos do and how much control they have over us once we enter the casinos we would stop gambling right away.  We basically have no chance.

Hi Don,

Very nice first post. I would say welcome to the forum!

Petespin, how can a TRNG and a PRNG be combined?  Seems to me that if it’s Pseudo at all, it can’t really be True.

Sergiy, I think it depends on what you trust them to do.
I trust them to follow their own rules, not cheat on payouts (i.e., pay 30:1 instead of 35:1)
If they say they only take half an even-money bet when 0 comes up, I think I can trust them to not take it all.
I think I can trust them to not knock winning chips off the winning number.

They can be trusted with table games.
It’s the slot machines I don’t trust, because so much of it is hidden from view inside the machine.
And the machines are allowed to be rigged, up to a point. If the law requires a minimum 85% payout, then they can rig the machine to pay 85.06% and they’re compliant.

One thing I hate about the touch screens is the calibration error.
I’ve seen the screens here get 6 bets in a row totally wrong.
I put it on a 6-pack, and it ends up on the 3-line next to it
I put it straight up, it shifts to a corner. Half the time, I’m hitting “clear all” and sitting it out.