Hi all,

I’ve read of a few occurances of people trying to beat the roulette wheel by finding edges from the wheel itself, i.e. tilting and/or imperfections on the wheel.

I went to the casino the other day to try and observe some of this but failed to find anything.

However I did notice 2 things:

—The wheel is divided into 8 sections, the dealer threw the ball consistntly from the same 2 of 8 sections

—The dealer normally drags the wheel round to bring the ball closest to him/her, then throws the ball from that point

—- Furthermore to this - I noticed what seemed to be a pattern in the number in which the ball was thrown from the number it landed on. I didn’t take notes as not to look suspicious so have no numbers, but a rough estimate is that 1/3 of the time it landed within 8 number of the starting, 1/3 it landed within 12 and 1/3 it landed outside of these ranges. Obviously such a small sample size isn’t anything to get excited about but it certatainly was exciting observing this.

After coming on this forum, seeing the term ‘wheel clocking’ and googling it, I discovered this (which isn’t surprising) is an already discussed activity.

I have a few questions regarding this, that I wasn’t able to find direct information regarding on this site or elsewhere.

1. If this is a thing, why haven’t casinos prevented it by some means?

2. Has anyone made any real money from this?

3. Are casinos very aware of it? Will they generally chuck you if they identify you are doing it?

4. Has anyone got a formula of quick method for working out which numbers surround number X - without memorising the entire distribution on the wheel?

5. Has anyone done any work to see what kind of edge you could derive from such an activity? A hypothetical situation where you have a 50% chance of the ball landing within 8 numbers of the starting number would mean:

—- 17 bets made on each spin, 1 for each number either side and the original number

—- If I won 5 times and lost 5 times, I’d lose 85 overall and win 95 overall, which is around a ~10% edge?

—- I doubt the actual application of this is as good as that (but welcome any information that contradicts this doubt)

Thanks