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Any tips for small bankrolls?
Posted: 15 February 2015 06:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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Oh… is that how you spell pidgin ..... hehehehehehe. We are talking about the bird right?
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No .You clot ! Continuing to show your ignorance.

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Posted: 15 February 2015 01:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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scepticus - 15 February 2015 06:59 AM

Oh… is that how you spell pidgin ..... hehehehehehe. We are talking about the bird right?
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No .You clot ! Continuing to show your ignorance.

What are you doing tomorrow Scep? I am available from 14H00 if you need help with spelling. Hehehehehehehehehehe.

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Posted: 23 February 2015 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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How small is your bank, the golden rule in betting is to be sure your bank covers any foreseeable loss.
If you are limited with your bank then you probably cannot afford to gamble.
The age old saying “Money makes money” was not spoken by an idiot it has stood the test of time.
If you have a bank of maybe £400 it is highly likely that you can make money of say £20 a time in progressive bets, do that 20 times and you then have a bank of £800, at that point you can withdraw £100 and with the remaining £700 set out to win £30 a time and so on.
Do not attempt to win large sums of money all at once or your bank will disappear in no time.
Very shortly there will be a website opening, which will offer a free trial to a very profitable staking tool.
They will tailor the staking tool to your bank and it will allow you to win a fixed sum before closing down for use.
The people who have tested this staking tool have been very impressed and I am sure that if you take the free trial you will agree.
I do not have a date that this website will be opening but I do know that it will be soon.
If you wish me to contact you when I have more information send me a PM.
By the way you do not deposit your bank with them, That is strictly between you and the casino you use.
They also give very sensible guidelines to follow. Many punters lose money because they do not understand how casinos ‘con’ you with their bonus offers etc.
I hope this will help you win.

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Posted: 23 February 2015 10:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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hitemhard - 23 February 2015 06:30 PM

How small is your bank, the golden rule in betting is to be sure your bank covers any foreseeable loss.
If you are limited with your bank then you probably cannot afford to gamble.
The age old saying “Money makes money” was not spoken by an idiot it has stood the test of time.
If you have a bank of maybe £400 it is highly likely that you can make money of say £20 a time, do that 20 times and you then have a bank of £400, at that point you can withdraw £100 and with the remaining £300 set out to win £30 a time and so on.
Do not attempt to win large sums of money or your bank will disappear in no time.
Very shortly there will be a website opening, which will offer a free trial to a very profitable staking tool.
They will tailor the staking tool to your bank and it will allow you to win a fixed sum before closing down for use.
The people who have tested this staking tool have been very impressed and I am sure that if you take the free trial you will agree.
I do not have a date that this website will be opening but I do know that it will be soon.
If you wish me to contact you when I have more information send me a PM.
By the way you do not deposit your bank with them, That is strictly between you and the casino you use.
They also give very sensible guidelines to follow. Many punters lose money because they do not understand how casinos ‘con’ you with their bonus offers etc.
I hope this will help you win.

Hitthemhard, sry pointing you that, but you got it wrong. .. it should be otherwise.  Like 20 to make 400 and not 400 to make 20. If you miss one spin and didn’t understand why, stop playing entirely,  till you understand.  If something is going beyond your control,  don’t bett. You need to know why you loose if it happens and know why you winn, especially if you winn. Stalking plan will not help it. Only will make it worst.
If you can, make good stalking plan based on positive expectation,  it needs to be balanced in terms of winn per spin/ hour/ bett.

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Posted: 24 February 2015 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Usual gobbledygook, as expected.

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Posted: 24 February 2015 07:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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By the way I have amended my original post it should have read £400+20x£20=£800 withdraw £100 and use £700 to increase your progressive stakesstake.

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Posted: 05 April 2015 05:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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Look No Hands - 20 January 2009 03:57 AM

I’ve seen a lot of systems that use some sort of progressive betting that can quickly become unreachable for small bankrolls.  Anyone have a system that could help stretch out my bankroll so I dont end up going home early?

There is two methods that i know that allow you to bet and using skips based upon good probability, so you stand a chance to win sometimes using a small bankroll.

Method 1 is Regression towards the mean:

“Regression toward the mean simply says that, following an extreme random event, the next random event is likely to be less extreme. In no sense does the future event “compensate for” or “even out” the previous event, though this is assumed in the gambler’s fallacy (and variant law of averages). Similarly, the law of large numbers states that in the long term, the average will tend towards the expected value, but makes no statement about individual trials. For example, following a run of 10 heads on a flip of a fair coin (a rare, extreme event), regression to the mean states that the next run of heads will likely be less than 10, while the law of large numbers states that in the long term, this event will likely average out, and the average fraction of heads will tend to 1/2. By contrast, the gambler’s fallacy incorrectly assumes that the coin is now “due” for a run of tails, to balance out.”

Now 10 reds or 10 blacks has the same probability as any other combinations, so you can pick any of the last 10 you see at the table (random pick).
Then you can track it on rolling basis and chart the outcomes and results.
You charting for the oppsitie to show.

What you know is that the worst or extreme would be one win among nine loses ( your expectation )
If the method fail you have 20 in a row.

You can start after two loses and cover eight attempts or you can start after five loses and face five attempts.
The skips is your friend.
The assumption is that you wont get 10 contra 10 and your expectation is at worst and extreme 1 win among 9 loses.

You can play every trail or you can grind - its up to you.

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Posted: 05 April 2015 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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RTM and the law of large numbers doesn’t work for the player.  Here’s why

The player observes that red has fallen three standard deviations behind and mistakenly assumes that red is due to catch up in the future because of the law of large numbers. 
Here’s what’s really happening… If red has hit 20 or fewer times than black in the last 100 spins, it will appear to catch back up in the future because the future expectation is just that, expectation, and future spin samples will tend to be exponentially larger than what has already been observed.  Even if the red appears to be running three or more standard deviations below normal, the anomaly will appear washed out and insignificant as the spin sample increases, even if red never catches back up! 

Even though the percentages appear to merge, the numeric difference can actually become quite large over time.  For example, after 10k additional spins, a deficit of only 20 spins is trivial.  Both red/black will appear to have hit at about the same percentages.  In the end, the law of large numbers ONLY appears to work simply because the spin sample grows larger.  That’s it!  In this example, there’s no information that the player can utilize in order to gain an edge, and the casino retains it’s advantage over the player.

Regarding regression to the mean.

If in spin sample X, you observe that the chi square is unusually high, then RTM say that the next spin sample is likely to have a lower chi square.  However, it doesn’t mean that it definitely will be. The chi could continue growing as part of a larger sample, only to regress later.  Furthermore, even if the next spin sample is closer to the theoretical, the theoretical still isn’t good enough for the player to win, since the house payoff is still short of what probability dictates as being a fair payoff. (house edge).  We can’t step outside of probability in order to win in the random game of roulette.

“Rare events” in small samples are actually insignificant events in much larger spin samples. 

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Posted: 08 April 2015 09:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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Houston - 05 April 2015 12:20 PM

The player observes that red has fallen three standard deviations behind and mistakenly assumes that red is due to catch up in the future because of the law of large numbers. 
Here’s what’s really happening… If red has hit 20 or fewer times than black in the last 100 spins, it will appear to catch back up in the future because the future expectation is just that, expectation, and future spin samples will tend to be exponentially larger than what has already been observed.  Even if the red appears to be running three or more standard deviations below normal, the anomaly will appear washed out and insignificant as the spin sample increases, even if red never catches back up! 

Even though the percentages appear to merge, the numeric difference can actually become quite large over time.  For example, after 10k additional spins, a deficit of only 20 spins is trivial.  Both red/black will appear to have hit at about the same percentages.

From The Theory of Gambling and Statistical Logic by John Epstein:
    “The law of large numbers has frequently been cited as the guarantor
    of an eventual head-tail balance. Actually, in colloquial form, the
    law proclaims that the difference between the number of heads and the
    number of tails thrown may be expected to increase indefinitely as the
    number of trials increases, although by decreasing proportions. Its
    operating principle is ‘inundation’ rather than ‘compensation’.”

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Posted: 08 April 2015 12:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 08 April 2015 09:37 AM
Houston - 05 April 2015 12:20 PM

The player observes that red has fallen three standard deviations behind and mistakenly assumes that red is due to catch up in the future because of the law of large numbers. 
Here’s what’s really happening… If red has hit 20 or fewer times than black in the last 100 spins, it will appear to catch back up in the future because the future expectation is just that, expectation, and future spin samples will tend to be exponentially larger than what has already been observed.  Even if the red appears to be running three or more standard deviations below normal, the anomaly will appear washed out and insignificant as the spin sample increases, even if red never catches back up! 

Even though the percentages appear to merge, the numeric difference can actually become quite large over time.  For example, after 10k additional spins, a deficit of only 20 spins is trivial.  Both red/black will appear to have hit at about the same percentages.

From The Theory of Gambling and Statistical Logic by John Epstein:
    “The law of large numbers has frequently been cited as the guarantor
    of an eventual head-tail balance. Actually, in colloquial form, the
    law proclaims that the difference between the number of heads and the
    number of tails thrown may be expected to increase indefinitely as the
    number of trials increases, although by decreasing proportions. Its
    operating principle is ‘inundation’ rather than ‘compensation’.”

Twist and turn how we may the fact is that where “random” operates no one can tell with certainty. At root we ARE just guessing and the clue is in the word used “Theory “. We are all entitled to our “theory ” but the bottom line for the gambler is ” Do I make a profit ? “.  Everything else is ” noise ” and we gamblers should leave the theorist ” Certaintors ” to indulge their passion for soothsaying .

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Posted: 03 July 2015 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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Two things you can do if you have small bankroll:

Play even chances
Play with low minimum bet

Some people may say flatbet, but to me this is wrong.
Also a good idea might be to follow the trend. Bet where the ball has landed in the latest spins.

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Posted: 04 July 2015 11:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Diaz - 03 July 2015 09:20 AM

Two things you can do if you have small bankroll:

Play even chances
Play with low minimum bet

Some people may say flatbet, but to me this is wrong.
Also a good idea might be to follow the trend. Bet where the ball has landed in the latest spins.

first… it’s stupid!!! And here is why…
Betting even chance means betting 18 numbers for not fair pay off in every spin.
In this case betting where ball landed means expecting hit same place twice on the row…. not really funny thing assuming small bankroll.
With small bank you need huge advantage to grant winning.  If not you will be over betting. However, predicting well, may let you get avay with this type of attack. Betting half wheel with good accuracy of prediction may be way to go on easy wheels (if you have limited bank ammount). In this case lm speaking of consequtive sector betting.

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Posted: 22 July 2015 11:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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criticize again and again….yet no advice to the contrary…nothing to offer in the way of a solution…typical.

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Posted: 26 July 2015 12:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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roulettedealer - 22 July 2015 11:41 AM

criticize again and again….yet no advice to the contrary…nothing to offer in the way of a solution…typical.

Brian, read the topic you are posting in. Original qwestion has been answered by me on this page. Or you are trying to copy behaviour of other scammers?  In this case continue your stupid accusations.  You just proving my opinion about you with every post you make wink.

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Posted: 27 July 2015 12:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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I think the question we must ask here is, “Define small bankroll”. Is that a small session bankroll,  that can be replaced when lost ? Or is it the sum total that the player is prepared to risk ?

    If the later, the best advice I can give is to use one of those systems which cover the maximum area of the layout or wheel, with the minimum number of chips.You could get lucky and win before Nemesis catches up with you.

  If the former, there is a chance you could survive if you are prepared to do the homework.

    If your brain and eyes are sharp, AP might be a good choice. Once you have mastered the basics I am sure it would be possible to slowly build the bankroll.

    However, if a system is required, a small bankroll is a distinct disadvantage. Systems and stategies use weight of money to overcome the house edge(HE). Playing without a solid financial base gives little chance of success. I play with small session banks, but I have many more up my sleeve! To play with a single small bank is almost certain failure. My starting bank was 250 chips using a 3 step progression in which the largest bet was 3 chips and a progression loss was 7 chips.
    A session bank could be as low as 20 x the minimum bet, but you would have to be flat betting or using a very short progression. It would depend largely on your ability to pick betting targets. If you bet selection was very good it might be possible to survive on 5 such banks. I doubt if that would apply to a novice. Most good strategies require a degree of experience and intuition that novices lack.

    My best advice is to study the game carefully first. There are plenty of systems available on the net. Do a little googling. Download some real spin results and play those you think are suitable. Forget the authers wild claims pick those you think you might enjoy playing. Once you have found one that suits YOU and offers a chance of success try it out. There are plenty of sites that allow free play. GET EXPERIENCE, only then will you be able to recognize a stategy that will suit your playing style and offer achance of succss.

      THERE IS NO ONE SIZE THAT FITS ALL !!

    Harry

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