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Is anyone here a professional roulette player?
Posted: 01 April 2014 05:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 76 ]
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That is quite a nice response sumar.

I will read that and the other links later on today when *I*
have time.

I appreciate you laying that all out.

As I was thinking about my post and my pessimistic view on gambling,
the thought that I did have is that, as dangerous as it can be, there might
be some progressions that could be worth considering.

Thanks again…

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Posted: 01 April 2014 07:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 77 ]
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I use to find plenty professional gamblers in a pub, they’re dreaming about better days and remake the world with past numbers…

The roulette is kinda mystical, that’s probably why there are so many wizzard in this game area. If you guys would come from poker, blackjack, forex, you’d immediately understand why there is no way to get an edge except with the physics. If you play with a -2.7% evolution , nothing associated to math will overcome this, whatever you do, progressions, hit and run…

Let’s try to imitate someone that really wins with an edge: The casino. Does he force you to change your size bet in order to win? After x win/loss, does he ask everyone to go out and to come back tomorow? i don’t think so… be serious!

We can say that you don’t really know what luck/random is able to do… After 27000spin number 4 hit 788 times, Dick is born the 4th and only play his lucky number every spin and every time he visits the casino, like all those winners 1 hours per day and about 50 spins per session… after 540 days, he s still on profit with no progression +580 units. How would you feel if you are still a winner after 27000 spins? What would you think if Dick tell you that he s still a winner after 27000 spins using this way?

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Posted: 01 April 2014 06:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 78 ]
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I think there are a few layers to what is being said.

1) I tend to think that most conventional people think of something akin to a “paycheck”
when speaking about professional gamblers.  Not a bunch of bar rats.

2) I would reiterate my earlier point about the “house advantage” not being as important as
so many people think The concept of “winning” seems to be in a box where, you need to actually
win more decisions that you lose. Like poker, where the AMOUNT you win varies widely as part of
the bottom line.  Forex as well. And I assume BJ.

The box you are in makes the payoff the same in roulette, and, like climbing a pile of sand, if you
can leverage your bets, you make it to the top of the pile. Your “loss” is where your feet slip and
lose ground on the way up. But you make it to the top.

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Posted: 01 April 2014 11:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 79 ]
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mogul397 - 01 April 2014 06:09 PM

I think there are a few layers to what is being said.

1) I tend to think that most conventional people think of something akin to a “paycheck”
when speaking about professional gamblers.  Not a bunch of bar rats.

2) I would reiterate my earlier point about the “house advantage” not being as important as
so many people think The concept of “winning” seems to be in a box where, you need to actually
win more decisions that you lose. Like poker, where the AMOUNT you win varies widely as part of
the bottom line.  Forex as well. And I assume BJ.

The box you are in makes the payoff the same in roulette, and, like climbing a pile of sand, if you
can leverage your bets, you make it to the top of the pile. Your “loss” is where your feet slip and
lose ground on the way up. But you make it to the top.

No you are wrong. Very, very wrong. Why do you think the casino has table limits? Add to that the unfair payout and you are going nowhere but backwards. Leverage? No won’t work. All you are doing is take away profit by betting on so called backup bets. The think is it does not matter how you structure you bet you will be 2.7% at a disadvantage and in some cases even more.

Btw. Nice post Clip.

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Posted: 02 April 2014 05:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 80 ]
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sumar - 01 April 2014 05:03 AM

I don’t know what you call professional roulette player. In late sixties and to 1974 I was a Croupier in Monte Carlo than I went to visit my sister in US who lived in Lake Tahoe Nevada. On my visit to casino there I found something which was not allowed in Europe and that is: I was allowed to place a bet AFTER ball is spun for about 10 seconds. I knew than I found my job. So I found me a partner who will record dealer’s spins and next day I will play that dealer. I played only straight up numbers 3 to 5 in order on the wheel according to that dealer signature as we called it. I am playing for about 15 spins sessions because dealer will notice my play and start “defensive” tactics. Thorough time (have much spare time) studying American roulette wheel I notice “discrepancies” in numbers placement like 2nd dozen numbers are placed in two sections of the wheel as every second space like 19-31-18-6-21-33-16-4-23-35-14 and exactly opposite 20-32-17-5-22-34-15-3-24-36-13 in this case whenever ball land in this section of the wheel there is 1:1 chance to get 2:1 payment or 50% advantage which is lowered in actual play to about 20% advantage. On this play I use progression 1-3-9.  As I do on Even or ODD, 1-13-22-34 or 4-16-19-31 streets (give me coverage of 8 consecutive and 4 spaces on the opposite side) need to place four bets, one on each street. Next play is covering 6 consecutive numbers on either side of zeros to the right where is needed u bets to cover (7-10 and 25-28). For this play we find the dealer whose “signature is “opposite” as we call it (ball concentration is on both opposite side of the wheel). Playing this combination dealer has hard time to read my play so I can play for hours. Normally, I do not play 10c chips.
On the dealer whose signature is one sided we play ODD and EVEN because there is 11 ODD numbers and 7 Even numbers on OO side of the wheel. Opposite to this there is reverse. Advantage on this play runs about 54 to 46 so we play minimum $25 chips.
To make play easier we made Roulette bet Locator which consists of two different size wheels. One is to show Launch point of the ball, and other shows where to place bet so it makes it quicker without too much thinking.
In fewer 40 years that was my “job” and I treated it as a job, and not as fun in Casino. Even with this knowledge it is happen I lost 11 times my session bank in 40 years when I did not follow my own rules.
For details How to play this you should by book on the Amazon Roulette as your Own ATM written by my partner on the job only. To see how book concept is credible and correct you can see on the YouTube http://www.visualroulettesystem.com . There is an ex croupier showing things how he can predict section on the wheel ball will land. Exception is he is ball thrower.
Play on line no matter what machine or system you use is nonsense. You can’t consistently win-period.

    Interesting post Sumar. As a line(double street) player I have pointed out on anumber of occassions that the different layout of the American wheel should be exploitable, As I have never seen or played on such a wheel I gave it no further thought.

  I suggest our American readers study your post and look for other exploitable features. I am sure there are many!!

            Harry

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Posted: 02 April 2014 05:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 81 ]
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mogul397 - 01 April 2014 06:09 PM

I think there are a few layers to what is being said.

1) I tend to think that most conventional people think of something akin to a “paycheck”
when speaking about professional gamblers.  Not a bunch of bar rats.

2) I would reiterate my earlier point about the “house advantage” not being as important as
so many people think The concept of “winning” seems to be in a box where, you need to actually
win more decisions that you lose. Like poker, where the AMOUNT you win varies widely as part of
the bottom line.  Forex as well. And I assume BJ.

The box you are in makes the payoff the same in roulette, and, like climbing a pile of sand, if you
can leverage your bets, you make it to the top of the pile. Your “loss” is where your feet slip and
lose ground on the way up. But you make it to the top.


CURRENTLY guys ive started helping my members win by selectling bet areas for them via a chat window and with the help of PX i intend to make a whole lot of profit for my members.

1st session has been completed with a profit of approx 200 euros in under 2 hours with peps!!

2nd session this evening will be to help dave using the same BR to make a tidy profit! 

Come and see how we do. I say with PX you remove the house advantage and place this into players hands wink


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Posted: 02 April 2014 06:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 82 ]
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IS crap like this allowed here?

(Maybe it wouldn’t quite be crap if you could understand the video or
information, or if you go to that site and it asks for a login that you
don’t have)

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Posted: 02 April 2014 06:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 83 ]
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mogul397 - 02 April 2014 06:10 AM

IS crap like this allowed here?

(Maybe it wouldn’t quite be crap if you could understand the video or
information, or if you go to that site and it asks for a login that you
don’t have)


Watch me turn your cap into real cash easy peasy!!  wink

Tom

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Posted: 02 April 2014 06:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 84 ]
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The videos are unintelligible.

Someone is mumbling and the chips are flying all over the place.
I can’t read,see, or keep up with it.

there is no main point to the thing, or what’s happening.

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Posted: 02 April 2014 06:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 85 ]
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Are you supposed to bring a camera, give you results,
and you tell me what happens next?

I don’t get it at all.

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Posted: 02 April 2014 06:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 86 ]
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What’s just as interesting is that you have a members area and
no information about how to become one, what it costs, or anything.


So it isn’t just me..  If you want people to be interested in what you have ot
are doing, then explain it. tongue wink cool mad  mad  red face  tongue laugh

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Posted: 02 April 2014 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 87 ]
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VB Meister - 01 April 2014 11:38 PM
mogul397 - 01 April 2014 06:09 PM

I think there are a few layers to what is being said.

1) I tend to think that most conventional people think of something akin to a “paycheck”
when speaking about professional gamblers.  Not a bunch of bar rats.

2) I would reiterate my earlier point about the “house advantage” not being as important as
so many people think The concept of “winning” seems to be in a box where, you need to actually
win more decisions that you lose. Like poker, where the AMOUNT you win varies widely as part of
the bottom line.  Forex as well. And I assume BJ.

The box you are in makes the payoff the same in roulette, and, like climbing a pile of sand, if you
can leverage your bets, you make it to the top of the pile. Your “loss” is where your feet slip and
lose ground on the way up. But you make it to the top.

No you are wrong. Very, very wrong. Why do you think the casino has table limits? Add to that the unfair payout and you are going nowhere but backwards. Leverage? No won’t work. All you are doing is take away profit by betting on so called backup bets. The think is it does not matter how you structure you bet you will be 2.7% at a disadvantage and in some cases even more.

Btw. Nice post Clip.

    Once again VB and I disagree. Mogul your post is very apt. However I do have a couple of caveats.

  Gamblers write their own ‘Paycheck’. Contrary to popular conception gamblers are people you wouldn’t notice in a crowd and tend to be secretive about their methods.

    The HE is always important! AP’s claim to sideline the HE using physics to gain an edge. Strategists use anomolies in the maths of chance.

  I agree with your sand anology, exceptn I believe when your feet slip you should dig in and start over. Scrambling to the top involves a long strong progression.I work with a short, weak progression, aimed at a specific target area.

  Lets assume you intend to bet on the dozens. Mathematically each dozen should hit once in every 3 spins . Obviously this doesn’t happen.
    Track a few hundred spins in the conditions you normally bet. Using RNG as a test for live wheel play is NOT a good idea.

    List and enumerate the gap between each dozen’s appearance.

    You may for example get results between 1 and 16, but most of the hits will be concentrated in a small area. Say spins 2-6. this is your target area.

    You may also find that within the target area most hits are concentrated around 1 or 2 spins.

    Attack ONLY the target area with a progression designed to give greater returns on those areas which you expect to get the most hits. It is often advantagous to take a loss on hits at the edge of the target area. This protects your BR from a near miss.

  You may lose a number of progressions, but they won’t be expensive. If you have done your homework right those juicy hits in the middle of your target area will more than compensate.

      Harry

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Posted: 02 April 2014 07:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 88 ]
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mogul397 - 02 April 2014 06:54 AM

What’s just as interesting is that you have a members area and
no information about how to become one, what it costs, or anything.


So it isn’t just me..  If you want people to be interested in what you have ot
are doing, then explain it. tongue wink cool mad  mad  red face  tongue laugh


check these results form our first test real money!!

http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewthread/3138/P8265/

next 2nite i will be helping Dave make a load of cash then after you can watch his video to see how he did this!!


And then if your still interested then let me know and i will help you further wink


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Posted: 02 April 2014 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 89 ]
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That’s pretty funny.

Looks like an argument that happened yesterday where a bunch of
people are ripping you a new asshole

How does it work?

Seems like you can’t even describe what you are peddling (Like right here,
right now) without some kind of doubletalk.

Isn’t there a group moderator that can give this guy the boot?

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Posted: 02 April 2014 07:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 90 ]
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@Tomuen Where is the logic to lose time to help people to make some cash instead to play yourself?  The only logic i can see to do that is if someone doesn’t want to risk his own bank to play (because he knows what will obviously happen ), so he ll rather play with people ‘s bank and ask for a %, and of course this method brings money.

I choose 37 people and i gave them a different number to play, max bet. There is one that will say i m a genius… you even shouldn’t worry about a system that works, just replace the winner by a new player smile

@VbMeister

Why do you think the casino has table limits?

It is not really for people who re playing a loosing progression. Most of the time they won’t see any Emirate guy with huge BR who had a revelation after read Hawks concept. They’ll meet sweet dreamers who want to make their 50$ per day. In my opinion it is more to protect from crazy gamblers that use winning progression, just imagine someone that is waiting for a number that hits 3 times in a row, and everytime he put all he won after this win he got 233280$, 4 time in a row 8 398 080$. An d this is not because this event is rare that it cannot come out twice a month for example. So i guess this is more because they could be ruined in 4 spins that they really instaured limits.

The think is it does not matter how you structure you bet you will be 2.7% at a disadvantage and in some cases even more.

I think the only way to be more than -2.7% is to play a bad Vb because the ball won’t fall in your area. Someone who has number a bit everywhere on the wheel has better chance than someone who makes too many revolution mistakes. Except this i don’t know how a player can lose more than 2.7%?


I mean if someone using a loosing progression he will lose more because the ammount of the bets will be bigger, instead to lose 2.7% of 10000 flat bet, he will lose 2.7% of 60000 with using a losing progression. So yes he will lose more but still losing 2.7% of the total bet engaged.

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