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Posted: 27 August 2011 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]
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If you notice, its quite rare for a wheel to spin red, black, red, black, red, black, red, black for multiple spins, theres always a double red, or double black.  So, if black comes out, bet black.  Bet on the colour that comes out, doubling everytime it loses, as soon as it wins go back to the initial stake

I hate lose, double bet, systems, but this has worked so far for me smile


better still, wait til its gone red, black, red, black for say 5 times, then start betting smile

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Posted: 20 September 2011 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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rocky420227 - 27 August 2011 05:48 PM

If you notice, its quite rare for a wheel to spin red, black, red, black, red, black, red, black for multiple spins, theres always a double red, or double black.  So, if black comes out, bet black.  Bet on the colour that comes out, doubling everytime it loses, as soon as it wins go back to the initial stake

I hate lose, double bet, systems, but this has worked so far for me smile


better still, wait til its gone red, black, red, black for say 5 times, then start betting smile

smile Still holding up? smile

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Posted: 20 October 2011 03:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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CzarLeonad - 18 October 2011 06:45 AM

Well, thanks for that tips on roulette. I’ll try that the next time I play casino.

Whatever you do Don’t try this on your next trip out! Pleaaaaaassssseeee! I was being sarcastic when I asked if it still held it’s own. Note…no reply. Not that I need a reply to know that systems based on Gambler’s fallacy just do not work. No system player has ever made money. You are open to the 2,7% house edge and in the longrun (if you had unlimited funds) you would end up 2,7% down. Those are the facts.

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Posted: 08 February 2012 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I think waiting strategy is more applicable to public roulette tables. Because there you can make observations on the spins and then start your betting.

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Posted: 22 February 2013 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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The numbers are the controlling factors in roulette.  The outside bets are derivative of the inside numbers that come up.

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Posted: 27 February 2013 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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rocky420227 - 27 August 2011 05:48 PM

If you notice, its quite rare for a wheel to spin red, black, red, black, red, black, red, black for multiple spins, theres always a double red, or double black.  So, if black comes out, bet black.  Bet on the colour that comes out, doubling everytime it loses, as soon as it wins go back to the initial stake

I hate lose, double bet, systems, but this has worked so far for me smile


better still, wait til its gone red, black, red, black for say 5 times, then start betting smile

Is like saying after 5 straight red, we go and bet black/red.

BUT I will hint you, you are closer to success than anyone else i read here. If only u know how to use it to your advantage. This is part of my strategy. Learn to use it in ANOTHER WAY that probability might want to help you.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 02:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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rocky420227 - 27 August 2011 05:48 PM

If you notice, its quite rare for a wheel to spin red, black, red, black, red, black, red, black for multiple spins, theres always a double red, or double black.  So, if black comes out, bet black.  Bet on the colour that comes out, doubling everytime it loses, as soon as it wins go back to the initial stake

I hate lose, double bet, systems, but this has worked so far for me smile


better still, wait til its gone red, black, red, black for say 5 times, then start betting smile


Rocky,

    I have been working on a red/black streak strategy now for over
  two months. Yes, you are correct that the streaks of a consecutive
  color appear more often then alternating red, black, red, black. I
  can’t explain the reason why, but I have charted through over a
  million spins and two or more color streaks out number the alternating
  red, black, red, black. With this knowledge I then worked on
  formulating a betting strategy. I tried dozens of betting strategies
  and after testing them I came up with one that has been
  showing a consistant positive result. I use three or four different
  RNGs on different sites, for I’m not positive how random any one
  of them might truly be.
  I play short sessions from 5 to 40 spins with a goal of 4.5 to 5 units
  of profit in a session. My bankroll iis divided into 4 Levels of play.
  The first level of play starts with a $10 unit and a bank of $150.
  The second level of play starts with a $15 unit and a bank of $225.
  The third level of play starts with a $30 unit and a bank of $450.
  The four level of play starts with a $60 unit and a bank of $900.

  I use a negative progression in every level of play. I bet what
  ever the last color was and follow that pattern til I make my
  4.5 to 5 units of profit or lose that levels bank.

  When I lose level 1 ($150), I start level 2 at a different table.
    At level 2, my goal is to win 3 separate sessions of 4.5 to 5
    units then return to Level 1. If I lose level two, the same
    process is used for level 3, except I only play for 2 winning
    sessions and return to level 1. If I lose
    level 3, I move to level 4 looking for only 2 winning sessions.

    So far in my testing of 1000 sessions using 4 different RNG’s,
    I have a positive result of + $30,585. That’s 15 times my
    original starting bank of $1,725. So when I do encounter
    a lost or even a few loses in a short period of time, it appears
    I may end up with a positive outcome in the long run.

    If the averages hold up over time, I figure a player can make
    about $30 a session, a session being from 6 to 40 spins. That’s
    with starting at a $10 unit level 1 strategy.

    Now being up $30,585 to the first 1000 sessions, I will start
    with a $20 level 1, with the bankroll of $3,450, and see
    what the result will be for the next 1000 sessions.

    Please don’t ask me what my betting progession is, I
    just wanted to give you a little “insight” that you are
    definitely on the right track. The only thing that you
    have to overcome is the nightmare of:
        “RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK, RED, BLACK”
    in four separate level, before you get your 5
    unit wins in each session.

    But if I’m correct and the averages hold up
    and your ahead as much as I am in these
    1000 sessions trails, you could easily withstand
    many loses and still come out ahead with
    a profit!!!

    This strategy will lose but when and how often
    is yet to be known!!!!

    Read OaMhcrA’s post, he also was giving you
    a hint. I just gave you a bigger one. You are
    definitely on a good track but rethink your
    doubling method, it doesn’t work especially
    if you chase into those long streaks of
    “red, black, red, black, red, black, red, black, red, black”
      Lose or win any session and move to another table!


      I wish you all the luck in the world!!!!!

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Chingy711 so close to mine.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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OaMhcrA - 01 March 2013 11:40 AM

Chingy711 so close to mine.

Hi,
  I checked out your post. Very interesting, if only we could double
our bankroll every month for a year. The thing is one has to grind
out that approximate 4-5% on average every day with very limited
loses.

  I look forward to reading your post about your system and money
management. This is the first time in many years I’m fascinated with
my testing on the red/black streak results I’m getting. The thing is I
have been fascinated with other results before that always seemed
to fall apart the longer I tested. I tested another 120 sessions earlier
today and my total now after 1120 sessions is + $38,735. The thing
is I keep expecting the tide to turn and run into that continuous streak
of loses. When you do something for many years and the result always
ends in failure you find yourself hard to understand when the results
just keep producing a positive result. I’m starting to question the
possibility that maybe the 4 randon number generators I’m using
in my testing are flawed and not truly random. It just doesn’t seem
possible to keep running into so many streaks of two or more of
red/black without seeing many more alternating red, black, red, black
outcomes.

You mention our methods are similar, are you also observing many
more consecutive red or black streaks in your testing? There are
many highly intelligent members on this forum maybe someone
will read this and offer their insight concerning their observations
concerning red/black continious streaks. I think my it might be
best to spend some time at a casino and chart live roulette results.
I usually spend all my time at the craps table, I used a method which
has been very successful but it’s a long trying grind. I will have to
take a few days and just relax and do some charting on roulette.
The Taj in AC has alot of roulette tables working on the weekend
so I will be able to get a good sampling. Maybe tomorrow might
be a good day for a run. Well thanks again for the link and I’ll
check in to see if you post any thoughts on my question of the
red/black streaks.

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Posted: 04 March 2013 02:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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As I have mentioned in prior posts, I have been testing a strategy
based on consecutive red/black streaks using a limited negative
progress. There are 4 different levels of play to the strategy. The
bankroll needed for the 4 levels is $1,725. My goal is to win 4-5 units
per session with a session being from 6-50 spins per level, then
start a new session at a different table.

In my first 1000 sessions, alternating between 4 different RNG’s
for each session my results where +30,585, starting with a level
1 unit of $10.

I had some concerns about the randomness of the 4 different RNG’s
in the testing, so found two new RNG’s to continue the testing. Due
to fact I was +$30,585, I rasied the starting unit of betting at level
1 to $20 units, with a bankroll of $3,450 for all 4 levels of the
strategy.

Now after 1700 total sessions of testing I show a profit of +$65,150.
I figured if a player played 10 sessions a day, which average range
about 30 to 45 minutes a session would be about 8 hours a day.
The 1700 units would take approximatel 6 months of continious play.
That is a full time job, 7 days a week 8 hours a day. So even if this
strategy has any merit in the long run it would be a nightmare of a
grind. The Risk of the human fact would weigh heavily and probably
over time destroy the chances of the strategy coming out being
sucessful. For the average gambler this strategy would be doomed to
failure based on the Human Factors and not the math if the strategy
really held up.

But let’s take the possibilty that the individual wasn’t a gambler, but
a highly disciplined individual who had a bankroll of say 25k to 50k,
that person “MIGHT” be able to start this strategy with a beginning
unit of $50 a level 1. He would need $8,625 bankrolll should all four
levels of the strategy lose. By the way, I did incur a total lost on the
1376 session of testing losing $3,450 at the $20 unit base. The thing
is that the strategy at that point in the testing was a +$49,980. The
strategy at that point in time had reached the level of almost 14 times
the original bankroll of $3,450. So with that in mind, even if the strategy
incurred many loses, say 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,or 10 the strategy would still produce a
positive outcome. The question is, is it worth it to venture $25,000
investment to say play 2 or 3 sessions a day for a possible average
of $500 to $750 profit? And the biggest question of all is, will the
strategy produce the same results in live play?

I hope that a few people will have read this far and take a minute or
two to share their thoughts, really look forward to any responds!

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Posted: 05 March 2013 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I don’t have any confidence in RNG testing.  Get to a live wheel and start your testing.

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Posted: 06 March 2013 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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five_oh_gold - 05 March 2013 12:18 PM

I don’t have any confidence in RNG testing.  Get to a live wheel and start your testing.

  I went to Yonkers Empire City Casino, the only problem they only
had airball machines. They call it Organic roulette, by a company
called Interblock. They are $10 minimum machines, they also
have a few $5 minimum machines, but they are video lottery
terminal machines. I will never play on a video lottery terminal
machine, it’s tied into a computer which I really believe interacts
based on the amount of money one bets.

So I played for only a few hours. I was only able to get in 4 sessions.
The first session I won $48 and the session took 21 spins.
The second session I won $56 and the session took 32 spins.
The third session I won $46 and the session took only 8 spins.
The fourth session I won $52 and the session took 22 spins.
Was lucky never lost Level 1, a lot of streak of 2 to 4 consecutive
colors.

I stayed almost 3 hours and it was nice picking up a little over $200,
but it will take many many trips to get a good sampling size to get
any idea of how the strategy holds up. The truth is it would probably
take months to get a real “feel” how it holds up.

Still testing with the two new RNG’s I found on the Google. These two
are supposed to be better than the other 4 RNG’s I started with. I’m at
the 2110 session with a positive total of $95,752. I have had a total
of three losts, one at session 1376, one at 1840, and another quick one
at 1870. I have progressed to the starting unit of $40 at Level 1. I
started the $40 unit at session 2000, The bankroll needs $6,900 for
all 4 levels of the strategy. Being +$96,725, in 2110 sessions, I have
approximately 14 times the bank needed at his level. I just can’t
imagine running into 14 loses of all 4 levels of the strategy at this point.

I’ll make another run to Yonkers later and play a few sessions! I just wish
I could do it at $5 units. Rather lose $875 at that unit size, than $1725
at the $10 unit minimum. Just don’t have time to get to AC or Foxwoods.
Will keep posted on the live play.

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Posted: 06 March 2013 08:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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That is great news and a very good start.

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Posted: 14 March 2013 03:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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After playing real money up a little over $1100.
Lost level 1 of $150 three times and lost level 2
of $225 once. Takes some time to recover at a
busy table. At one of the tables the roulette
dealer mentioned he played the streaks himself
when he plays. He told me he bets differently
then me, he paralays the first win and after that
he adds a little more to each consecutive win. I
asked him how he does, He said he has alot of
small losts and on the good days when he gets
some good streaks of 5 or 6 wins he does well.
I asked him what the longest streak he has had.
He said his longest streak was 17 reds and made
a few thousands. I told him I just started trying
this method and was having a little luck so far.
He was a nice guy and I put a chip on many of my
bets for him and gave a nice tip when I left the table.

As far as my testing with the RNG’s. I have reached
the 3,000th session (about a year of actual play).
I’m at (+ $144,775) I’ve progressed from the Level 1
unit of play of $10 and am now at the $50 unit.
The $50 unit which requires a bank of $8,625 for
all 4 levels is the maximum size units I would ever
try at a casino and that’s only once I had profited
enough at the $10 unit, then the $20, then the $30,
and then the $40 and finally the $50 unit.I’ve had 8
total losts in the 3000 sessions. Three of the losts
gave between the 2500th session and 2700th session.
The thing is it so far has always recovered, but took
sometime. All together with 3000 sessions with 6-50
spins per session which averages out to about 20 to 25
spins a session come out to about 70,000 spins.  That’s
about $2.00 a spin. No matter what, it has been fun
testing and I’m even up over a $1,000 in real play.
The thing is at the $10 unit level which requires $1,725,
I’m still not ahead!

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Posted: 15 March 2013 02:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Will the Airball machines not work for what you are doing?  With the Airball you get many more spins in per hour.

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Posted: 15 March 2013 11:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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five_oh_gold - 15 March 2013 02:59 PM

Will the Airball machines not work for what you are doing?  With the Airball you get many more spins in per hour.

Hi Five_oh_Gold,

    Yes I have played on the airball machines at Yonkers and yes they are
definitely faster with many more spins per hour than live wheels. The $1100
profit which came from 4 trips to Yonkers and 2 trips to Atlantic City. The live
tables in A.C. were busy and I don’t think I got 25 spins per hour and it took
almost 2 hours to recover and restart at level 1. Plus the one time I lost level
1 & 2, took over 4 hours to recover. I like the airball machines, for I seem to get
more longer consecutive streaks of red/black then at the live wheels, but that
only appears to be luck for I don’t have enough sessions on both types of wheels
to get a true reading. Yonkers Casino is only minutes away from me, but craps is
my game and I won’t play craps on the airball machines. Craps is my game and
where I grind a steady profit, so I travel the 2 hours to Atlantic City. This roulette
strategy is something I found interesting and started testing, I had such success
with it in testing, I thought it would fall apart sooner or later and kept testing it.
Well it has me amazed now and I will keep going and playing live sessions and
see if it holds up. Even though testing with RNG’s and being up almost $150,000
with over 70,000 spins means nothing, I’m curious as hell how the strategy will
do in live play. It’s nice being up $1100 in live play but that’s not even enough to
cover a complete lost of all 4 Levels of the strategy at the starting unit of $10.
One lost at this unit amount is $1,725. I want to see how far I can go before I
lose all four levels, I’m just hoping I’m well above the $1,725 mark before the
lost comes. I’ll see how it goes, will make a run tomorrow to Yonkers!
Stay well, Louie

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