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Posted: 28 May 2013 04:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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Hi Louie,
      It’s amazing how often you run into a bad streak just when you change bet size. It’s probably that we just don’t notice it at the old level. I’m glad to see you came back strong. Perhaps you should have followed Lyle Stuart’s advise ” If you want to get rich , do it in the dark! AND DO IT ALONE!!! I hate to tell you how many times I’ve run into a disasterous streak trying to show off to a friend.
    Different subject.  The fact that so many players have prefered to contact you by PM inicates how much damage this AP v System dispute is doing.  Our discussions should be out in the forum not not under the table. Only information of a sensitve or personal nature should be passed by PM.
      Keep up the good work Louie,    regards   Harry

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Posted: 07 June 2013 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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harryj - 28 May 2013 04:41 AM

Hi Louie,
      It’s amazing how often you run into a bad streak just when you change bet size. It’s probably that we just don’t notice it at the old level. I’m glad to see you came back strong. Perhaps you should have followed Lyle Stuart’s advise ” If you want to get rich , do it in the dark! AND DO IT ALONE!!! I hate to tell you how many times I’ve run into a disasterous streak trying to show off to a friend.
    Different subject.  The fact that so many players have prefered to contact you by PM inicates how much damage this AP v System dispute is doing.  Our discussions should be out in the forum not not under the table. Only information of a sensitve or personal nature should be passed by PM.
      Keep up the good work Louie,    regards   Harry

  Hi Harry,

    How’s things going? It’s raining here in New York and
  I’m delighted to say the least, every muscule in my body
  needs the rest.

    I got a call the other day from a friend who has been
  playing my strategy. He has been trying my 3 levels of
  play instead of the 4 levels. He ran into a lost at 3
  consecutive tables! I felt bad, but he’s a serious gambler
  and was well aware that losts are part of the strategy.
  He quit roulette for that night and played in a poker
  tournament. He’s real disciplined and I’m glad, some
  guys might have went on tilt and got crazy chasing.
  The only thing is he plays $50 base units which I don’t
  approve of, but he has the cash. He lost over $3,000
  with that lost. He says he up still alot of money so far
  using the strategy. I tried to talk him into starting at
  a lower unit base and move up as the bankroll increases
  3 or 4 times. His goal is a $1,000 a day and he likes
  the $50 units for it’s to much of a grind with $10 units.
  He has already made up almost all of that $3,000 lost
  and wants me to get together later today at the casino
  and have dinnner and a few drinks. So I’ll get a few hours
  of play in today. The only thing with my friend is he hates
  moving from table, he sometime stays at one table all
  night. So tonight I going to drive him crazy and make him
  move from table to table with me. He laughs and thinks
  it really doesn’t matter!

  I see people are slowly starting to post a little and I hope
  it keeps up, it’s good for the forum! So are you playing
  online Harry and where did you open an account? Really
  wish the United States would legalize online gambling
  and regulate the industry. I really think within the next
  few years New York might consider it for they need the tax
  dollars. Well Harry, I’m going to start to get ready, looking
  forward to seeing my friend and having a few drinks and
  a great steak, plus naturally playing for a few hours!

  Stay well my friend! Louie

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Posted: 07 June 2013 01:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Chingy711 - 07 June 2013 10:19 AM
harryj - 28 May 2013 04:41 AM

Hi Louie,
      It’s amazing how often you run into a bad streak just when you change bet size. It’s probably that we just don’t notice it at the old level. I’m glad to see you came back strong. Perhaps you should have followed Lyle Stuart’s advise ” If you want to get rich , do it in the dark! AND DO IT ALONE!!! I hate to tell you how many times I’ve run into a disasterous streak trying to show off to a friend.
    Different subject.  The fact that so many players have prefered to contact you by PM inicates how much damage this AP v System dispute is doing.  Our discussions should be out in the forum not not under the table. Only information of a sensitve or personal nature should be passed by PM.
      Keep up the good work Louie,    regards   Harry

  Hi Harry,

    How’s things going? It’s raining here in New York and
  I’m delighted to say the least, every muscule in my body
  needs the rest.

    I got a call the other day from a friend who has been
  playing my strategy. He has been trying my 3 levels of
  play instead of the 4 levels. He ran into a lost at 3
  consecutive tables! I felt bad, but he’s a serious gambler
  and was well aware that losts are part of the strategy.l
  He quit roulette for that night and played in a poker
  tournament. He’s real disciplined and I’m glad, some
  guys might have went on tilt and got crazy chasing.
  The only thing is he plays $50 base units which I don’t
  approve of, but he has the cash. He lost over $3,000
  with that lost. He says he up still alot of money so far
  using the strategy. I tried to talk him into starting at
  a lower unit base and move up as the bankroll increases
  3 or 4 times. His goal is a $1,000 a day and he likes
  the $50 units for it’s to much of a grind with $10 units.
  He has already made up almost all of that $3,000 lost
  and wants me to get together later today at the casino
  and have dinnner and a few drinks. So I’ll get a few hours
  of play in today. The only thing with my friend is he hates
  moving from table, he sometime stays at one table all
  night. So tonight I going to drive him crazy and make him
  move from table to table with me. He laughs and thinks
  it really doesn’t matter!

  I see people are slowly starting to post a little and I hope
  it keeps up, it’s good for the forum! So are you playing
  online Harry and where did you open an account? Really
  wish the United States would legalize online gambling
  and regulate the industry. I really think within the next
  few years New York might consider it for they need the tax
  dollars. Well Harry, I’m going to start to get ready, looking
  forward to seeing my friend and having a few drinks and
  a great steak, plus naturally playing for a few hours!

  Stay well my friend! Louie

Your friend isn’t wrong about changing tables or using a higher base bet. If you have the sure thing neither would matter because you have an edge. He lost on three different tables… that proves it. You say do not chase it. Well it is a random game and conditions could change in your favor 5 min later. So you could miss an oppertunity and the next day walk into a bad run again.

Anyway. You guys misunderstand me. Believe me when I say I hope the best for you but at the same time I know roulette better than just about anyone out there. I have been playing roulette for decades and it is seriously my profession. If there was a system that had an edge over the housevI would play it with vb. What a joy that would be. playing any wheel with a working system while scouting for tradional ap wheels…. unfortunately I know it is’nt possible. Testing with rng just means nothing. Real world, real play, that is what it is all about.

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Posted: 07 June 2013 02:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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Hi Louie,
      Hope your dinner date and play went well. I used one of the casinos that have been dunning me. They do not have the greatest reputation. I believe I won because I was playing 4 different progressions at the same time. everytime they tried to break one of them it made me win faster on the other 3. Frankly I don’t think they really worked out what I was doing and just tossed in a few freak results. 4 streaks of 10 plus in 50 spins just isn’t believable.
    Don’t work too hard, it effects you gambling.    Harry

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Posted: 08 June 2013 09:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Your friend isn’t wrong about changing tables or using a higher base bet. If you have the sure thing neither would matter because you have an edge. He lost on three different tables… that proves it. You say do not chase it. Well it is a random game and conditions could change in your favor 5 min later. So you could miss an oppertunity and the next day walk into a bad run again.

Anyway. You guys misunderstand me. Believe me when I say I hope the best for you but at the same time I know roulette better than just about anyone out there. I have been playing roulette for decades and it is seriously my profession. If there was a system that had an edge over the housevI would play it with vb. What a joy that would be. playing any wheel with a working system while scouting for tradional ap wheels…. unfortunately I know it is’nt possible. Testing with rng just means nothing. Real world, real play, that is what it is all about.

  VB,

    Where have I ever once stated my strategy is a “sure thing?”
  Please show me the post, I have always been straight up about
  my strategy and the theory behind it. I clearly posted the results
  of my RNG testing and even listed the few occassions the strategy
  lost. You state RNG testing means nothing, that’s your opinion.
  I personally feel RNG’s are great tools to test strategies and in
  99% of the time will show that most system do fall apart in time.
  RNG’s have saved gambler’s from going to a casino and learning
  the hard way. Why do you continuously imply I have stated some-
  thing to which I have “never stated.” Even your comment, “Real
  world, real play, that is what it is all about”, it sounds like your
  saying I haven’t tried this strategy in a real casino. I have been
  using this strategy in a real casino!! In my limited casino play I’m
  up almost $6,000 using this strategy and it’s works for me, plus
  it has been working for others that are presently using it. No one
  has been sold a bill of goods that this is the Holy Grail. You have
  never once presented any evidence you’ve ever tested my strategy
  or the theory of the distribution of of series in even money chances
  of which by strategy is based on? So my friend lost at 3 different
  tables, what does that prove? Did I ever say the strategy wouldn’t
  lose? The number 19 has come 7 times consecutively which is 1 in
  114 billion, what does that mean? Anything is possible!!!!!!

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Posted: 09 June 2013 08:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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VB, you really do have an uncanny ability to piss people off!! Perhaps we should call you CATO.*

  * For those who were not bedevilled wth a classical education, Cato was a Roman Senator who was renowned for his singleminded stubborness. Not only did he feel it his duty to tell everyone how to live their lives, but he ended every speech with the words “CARTHAGE MUST BE DESTROYED”. in the end the Romans got so pissed off they went out and destroyed Carthage.
 
    However I’m not going to switch to AP, I’m quite happy as I am.
          Harry

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Posted: 09 June 2013 11:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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harryj - 09 June 2013 08:08 AM

VB, you really do have an uncanny ability to piss people off!! Perhaps we should call you CATO.*

  * For those who were not bedevilled wth a classical education, Cato was a Roman Senator who was renowned for his singleminded stubborness. Not only did he feel it his duty to tell everyone how to live their lives, but he ended every speech with the words “CARTHAGE MUST BE DESTROYED”. in the end the Romans got so pissed off they went out and destroyed Carthage.
 
    However I’m not going to switch to AP, I’m quite happy as I am.
          Harry

Lol… real classy post Clingy smile were you once a sailor by any chance? Btw bro….. you are not off at all about my finances smile This will most probably make you double aggressive but you did ask.

....Harry…oh Harry…..  You people get pissed off because you cannot face the truth.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 07:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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What truth???

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Posted: 10 June 2013 10:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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harryj - 10 June 2013 07:53 AM

What truth???

Oh Harry….... I not going to type it all again. I will give you clues though…. gf (NOT GIRLFRIEND), HE (house edge), oh and then the small little matter that you cannot beat roulette with system play…...

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Posted: 10 June 2013 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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I’m beating it so far VB using Chingy/Louie’s system.

Even if I suffered a total loss I’ve already made twice what the 3 levels are worth.  You know as well as anyone that there is a higher probability that series of colours (2 of more black or red in a row) will show then individual colours.  I think Louie showed extensive research where roughly 3/4 of all spins catalogued comprise a series of colours.

Yes, I could lose using this system.  I WILL lose.  But as I’ve already made the money back twice over, a total loss would be half my winnings so I’d still be up!

Its a good system as there is stop-loss limits and as long as you keep control of your emotions, then a total loss won’t hurt you as much as other systems.

The Martingale is always a killer in the end.  This system is NOT a martingale but takes advantage of the fact there are series of colours all the time.

You make money on roulette using your AP methods.  Good for you.  Just accept that other players have made, and continue to make a profit, no matter how small.

Good luck everyone anyway - we’re all here to make a profit at this - thats why we’re here obviously!

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Posted: 10 June 2013 01:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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RolandDeschain - 10 June 2013 11:08 AM

I’m beating it so far VB using Chingy/Louie’s system.

Even if I suffered a total loss I’ve already made twice what the 3 levels are worth.  You know as well as anyone that there is a higher probability that series of colours (2 of more black or red in a row) will show then individual colours.  I think Louie showed extensive research where roughly 3/4 of all spins catalogued comprise a series of colours.

Yes, I could lose using this system.  I WILL lose.  But as I’ve already made the money back twice over, a total loss would be half my winnings so I’d still be up!

Its a good system as there is stop-loss limits and as long as you keep control of your emotions, then a total loss won’t hurt you as much as other systems.

The Martingale is always a killer in the end.  This system is NOT a martingale but takes advantage of the fact there are series of colours all the time.

You make money on roulette using your AP methods.  Good for you.  Just accept that other players have made, and continue to make a profit, no matter how small.

Good luck everyone anyway - we’re all here to make a profit at this - thats why we’re here obviously!

Hi Roland,

    You stated the one thing that seems to never register with the
  “No system will ever win in the long run,” crowd and that is the
  strategy WILL LOSE! If you have noticed in this constant back
  and forth, I have presented the facts and laws of the distribution
  and appearance of series. As of yet, not one of the math guys
  have in anyway ever addressed those statistics, whether to confirm
  the fact or even argue against it. The laws of appearance are the
  foundation of my theory, if series of even money chances account
  for 3/4 of all trials with limited deviation and single even money
  chances only appear 1/4, then logic clearly gives the gambler the
  best of it by following the streaks. This doesn’t guarantee that
  the 1/4 of single events wouldn’t occcur many consecutive times
  and causing my strategy to lose it’s bankroll investmest. All my
  strategy does is give the player enough bets to capitalize on
  the 3/4 of series when they do occur.

  I’m glad your still having success using my strategy and it’s good
  you understand the strategy may at one point have a few losts
  and all your profits to this point maybe given back. I’m at the
  point myself now that I have increased my bankroll six fold and
  it is very possible for me to run into 6 losting sessions and be
  back to square one, but the odds greatly favor me at this stage.
  I’ve test countless systems and “most” have never lived up to the
  hype. This is one of those rare times where I feel comfortable
  playing a strategy knowing I have a chance of maybe walking
  away a winner MOST of the time. I’ve been using only 3 levels of
  the strategy lately at the $20 unit base, so if I do lose all 3 levels
  and drop the $1,280, I can live with it!

    You know what surprises me, I’ve been confronted with all kinds
    of arguements on this forum, the long run, house edge, independence,
    and of course all systems lose! And that’s cool, but did you notice
    the thread I posted “The Question.” Not one person responded, it
    strange they’ll arguement it’s all random in countless post, but can’t
    explain why the wheel will always produce the same statistics no
    matter how large the number of trials with only a small deviation.
    Do you sample testing of a billion different trails and the statistics
    always fall within a certain range. If it were truly random, this should
    never happen. There is a pattern, for the results always find that
    balance within statistics!
     
  The Question!
 
“Are all spins and all appearances independent?”
 
  This must be answered with: “No, neither the spins
  nor the appearances can be independent, because
  each is a part of the whole!”

  In reality, each spin and each appearance has it’s
  necessary and obligatory function in the totality of
  a permanency.

  Chance doesn’t exist there because all effects have
  their visable or hidden cause. In fact there is no secret,
  it is quite obvious there must be a connection. Other-
  wise the wheel could not produce steady statistics.
 
  You can analyze any section of any consecutive spins
  of any permanency and you will find similar results,
  however with very small normal deviations.

  It is therefore, allowed to say, that the independence
  of every spin is not a real one. Every spin of the wheel
  is a part and has a function in a permanency of a certain
  length.

  Just like the laws of appearance and the distribution of
  series, why hasn’t any of these so called math guys
  challenge these facts, but continuously imply things
  I have never said or even shown me once the flaws of
  my strategy or theories! Never mind once doing a simple
  testing of the strategy.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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I will refrain in calling you a @#%&##@. Simply because I am civized & educated. This does not mean that you intimidate me in the least. To me you ate just another uneducated lower class individual with no relevance as many before.  Swearing and calling me names makes no difference. Calling me a coward….. makes no difference and has no relevance simply because you have no idea who I am and what I have done in my life. Maybe if you said that to my face you would of had a proper reaction. But you didn’t. You used a forum to do that. And to me that had no relevance. You call me feces… and a liar and a coward. All on a forum. Well it pretty much shows you pedigree and class. I will refrain in recallimg you anything simply because I am not a simpleton. Make no mistake though. I have, and never will back off anyone insulting me in person. I do not care who you are.

Btw… The biggest cowars are those claiming others to be without facing them.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 06:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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VB Meister - 10 June 2013 04:37 PM

I will refrain in calling you a @#%&##@. Simply because I am civized & educated. This does not mean that you intimidate me in the least. To me you ate just another uneducated lower class individual with no relevance as many before.  Swearing and calling me names makes no difference. Calling me a coward….. makes no difference and has no relevance simply because you have no idea who I am and what I have done in my life. Maybe if you said that to my face you would of had a proper reaction. But you didn’t. You used a forum to do that. And to me that had no relevance. You call me feces… and a liar and a coward. All on a forum. Well it pretty much shows you pedigree and class. I will refrain in recallimg you anything simply because I am not a simpleton. Make no mistake though. I have, and never will back off anyone insulting me in person. I do not care who you are.

Btw… The biggest cowars are those claiming others to be without facing them.

  Now I see I have your attention! That’s exactly what I wanted. It’s
  clear I have hit a nerve, just like the same way you do but not as
  direct and personal has I have. I have definitely intimidated you, for
  if I didn’t, you wouldn’t have responded trying to defend yourself. You
  try to justify yourself by now refraining from calling me anything, but
  you forget the remarks and the matter in which you’ve talked down
  to me and others on this forum. I know your kind, you think you know
  it all and try to intimidate others. You imply you would never back down
  face to face, that is true becasue you would never have the balls to
  even think of disrespecting me to my face as you have here hiding
  behind a keyboard. Everyone on this forum that has interacted with
  me “knows” I’m all about helping anyone, especially a young person
  ever considering thinking gambling is the answer. I have shown respect
  to everyone on this forum, can you honestly say that? You know exactly
  what I’m talking about, as you stated your an educated man, well that
  still doesn’t give you the right to talk down to others or insults them
  with your sometimes nasty remarks. You speak of “class” well from
  your past remarks it’s clear you don’t understand the meaning of what
  that really entails! If you want respect you earn it, just like every other
  member of this forum. I can post your own words here, where you
  state you act the way you act sometimes and shouldn’t. I’ve had
  discussed many different opinions with some of the most intelligent
  men on this forum and none of them have ever treated me the way
  you have. I have about a dozen people on this forum IM me and I
  always respond and try to help them and never ridicule and insult them.

  I will stop this right here and will delete some of my post, if you’ll
  refrain from replying to any of my post, for it’s clear you and
  I can’t interact on a level of respect. My whole life is about respect
  and if you knew me you’d understand! No reply would greatly be
  appreciated and a sign of some respect, which I will also return by
  never jumping into one of your topics!

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Posted: 10 June 2013 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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Oh ! Chingy, Chingy
I’ll say to you what I said to Harry. Don’t reply to any of the posts of the AP fantasists . It’s difficult ,I know, but giving them oxygen only encourages them. Ignoring them is the only way to treat them .Let them talk to themselves !

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Posted: 10 June 2013 11:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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Chingy711 - 10 June 2013 06:28 PM
VB Meister - 10 June 2013 04:37 PM

I will refrain in calling you a @#%&##@. Simply because I am civized & educated. This does not mean that you intimidate me in the least. To me you ate just another uneducated lower class individual with no relevance as many before.  Swearing and calling me names makes no difference. Calling me a coward….. makes no difference and has no relevance simply because you have no idea who I am and what I have done in my life. Maybe if you said that to my face you would of had a proper reaction. But you didn’t. You used a forum to do that. And to me that had no relevance. You call me feces… and a liar and a coward. All on a forum. Well it pretty much shows you pedigree and class. I will refrain in recallimg you anything simply because I am not a simpleton. Make no mistake though. I have, and never will back off anyone insulting me in person. I do not care who you are.

Btw… The biggest cowars are those claiming others to be without facing them.

  Now I see I have your attention! That’s exactly what I wanted. It’s
  clear I have hit a nerve, just like the same way you do but not as
  direct and personal has I have. I have definitely intimidated you, for
  if I didn’t, you wouldn’t have responded trying to defend yourself. You
  try to justify yourself by now refraining from calling me anything, but
  you forget the remarks and the matter in which you’ve talked down
  to me and others on this forum. I know your kind, you think you know
  it all and try to intimidate others. You imply you would never back down
  face to face, that is true becasue you would never have the balls to
  even think of disrespecting me to my face as you have here hiding
  behind a keyboard. Everyone on this forum that has interacted with
  me “knows” I’m all about helping anyone, especially a young person
  ever considering thinking gambling is the answer. I have shown respect
  to everyone on this forum, can you honestly say that? You know exactly
  what I’m talking about, as you stated your an educated man, well that
  still doesn’t give you the right to talk down to others or insults them
  with your sometimes nasty remarks. You speak of “class” well from
  your past remarks it’s clear you don’t understand the meaning of what
  that really entails! If you want respect you earn it, just like every other
  member of this forum. I can post your own words here, where you
  state you act the way you act sometimes and shouldn’t. I’ve had
  discussed many different opinions with some of the most intelligent
  men on this forum and none of them have ever treated me the way
  you have. I have about a dozen people on this forum IM me and I
  always respond and try to help them and never ridicule and insult them.

  I will stop this right here and will delete some of my post, if you’ll
  refrain from replying to any of my post, for it’s clear you and
  I can’t interact on a level of respect. My whole life is about respect
  and if you knew me you’d understand! No reply would greatly be
  appreciated and a sign of some respect, which I will also return by
  never jumping into one of your topics!

Looks like I hit a nerve smile

Btw gaining respect from you has the same importance to me as .... well nothing. I really could not care less about gaining your respect. Believe me I have no respect for you either. smile

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