Hi all,

I am new to this forum and to roulette for that matter.

I recently wrote a roulette bot just for the fun of it. I didn’t really have any big interest in roulette, I just wanted to see if I could do it after a discussion I had with a friend of mine who was considering purchasing one.

Anyway I successfully programmed my bot to read in numbers and place bets on a single 0 wheel for play money. I can modify the code to bet anyway I like.

I was wonder if anyone could recommend a system to try out or maybe where I could get some good information on roulette. I have done a fair amount of reading on the web but as yet have not been able to find anything that looks like it might make my bot profitable in the long run.
Does anyone know if it even possible to write a successful bot?

Can a consistent profit be made by playing roulette or will the house always win? Opinion seems to be divided on the web.

Do any of the commercial bots on the web actually work?

Do any of the endless systems that can be purchased work?

It’s funny, I am quite mathematical and never thought that I would be interested in roulette but I seem to have the bug now!!

Anyway, I would appreciate anyone that can make a few suggestions or direct me to some useful information.

I presume that “bot” is another name for “simulation”, i.e. a program that simulates spins using a random number generator (RNG).  Roulette is a game of random and independent trials.  If all pockets on the wheel have an equal chance of having the ball land in them, which would be the case with a bot/simulation using a decent RNG, then the game cannot be beaten in the long run because the payout for winning any bet is less than the odds that have to be overcome to win that bet.

Betting systems have the same illness.  In a game of random and independent trials past results have absolutely no predictive value.  IOW (in other words), on any real or virtual spin, the real or virtual ball has the same (equal) chance of landing in any real or virtual pocket that it had on any previous spin.  The probabilities do not change.  Consequently, no betting system can beat the game mathematically.

So, are the players doomed?  Not necessarily.  VB Meister and roulettedealer (Brian) propose (and claim success using) advantage play techniques that use ballistics to predict in what pocket the ball will land.  IOW the game as they purport to play it is not random.

Another possibility for a non-random game is a biased wheel.  Past results have no predictive value, but they may have indicative value.  IOW a dearth or preponderance of one result (e.g. red, second dozen, 0) may indicate that the probability of that result is for some reason(s) not the same as other results.  Unfortunately, unless a wheel is so biased as to be obviously so, detecting that bias statistically would require a marathon session to observe enough spins to provide a reasonable level of confidence.

Finally, even in a random game individual players can show a profit for a session, for a trip, and rarely, even for a lifetime thanks to variance.  Without any variance the house would take 2.70% (single zero) or 5.26% (double zero) of every bet regardless of where the ball landed.  In reality those are only long-term averages, and players do not live long enough to play enough to get to that long term.  The longer one plays the closer one is expected to get to those percentages, but only at infinity is the house guaranteed to win.

Thank you for your reply.

By Bot I actually mean I have written a program that will automatically place a bet for me on the Paddy Power website. The program can select what bet to place, how much to bet and record bet results. I can run the bot for a set number of spins or when a particular profit or loss is reached.

I could rewrite the software to work with any website if I wanted to. I have tried a few things with my limited roulette experience but none are returning a profit over multiple sessions. I have recorded the spin history for multiple sessions (18 hours being the longest) but cannot find a betting system that will return a profit.

I was just interested to see if anyone thought they had a system that could return a profit from an online RNG wheel.

I suppose the question I should be asking is if it is impossible to return a long term profit why do people play online?

Hello, this is Brian (roulettedealer). If you are interested in an array of some of the best betting strategies and systems out there, I have a website which offers the best betting strategies available for a very reasonable price. I have been a roulette dealer and professional player years now and have seen every betting strategy out there and I know which ones work and which dont. This is what I do every day. I update the site daily for members, these updates include free systems and strategies and discussion on member requested topics in the blog. I also offer unlimited member support via my personal email. The site is the best value for your money on the net….garunteed. I include various betting strategies for both the land based casino as well as the online casino player. I also include my very own advantage play techniques, these are techniques which I have personally developed and have been using successfully for years. I have information on how to form a successful advantage play team, as well as a newly updated section devoted entirely to automated roulette wheels. If you are interested, check out the website at http://www.beatthewheel.webs.com. Good luck.—-Brian

Hi everyone,

I am new to this site but old in roulette gaming and age.  I have just purchased for $20 Ben Klopfer roulette strategy.  It does not claim to make you rich but you will not lose much.  My experience of using it was win $30.  win $21     win $16.  The strategy involves the disparity of spread.  i.e.    more black even numbers than odd.  More reds in one column than in others.  You can combine these disparities using one,two,three, four or more of them.  They seam a prime canditate for a bot where it can spin up to 250 times a minute.  Programme it to play and stop when it has reached your target.  When I won myself sometimes I went into losses but just kept on playing until the law of averages etc. returned and brought it back into profit

Good luck   (Will be very interested if anyone takes this up and what the result is)

Brian   (Bleep24)      Guisborough, North Yorkshire,  UK

Roulettedealer,

So in reply to my question “Can a consistent profit be made by playing roulette or will the house always win?” your answer would be yes it can. I still have my doubts about this. Thanks for your input. I might take another look at your site in the future.

Bleep24,

Your method sounds interesting. You say that it will not lose you much. Does this mean it will lose a little? How many sessions have you used it for.

I have a file with a record of over 4600 genuine spins. If you would like me to send it to you I can. You could apply your method to this and see if it will return a profit.

Hi,

Just bought system this week   (Ben Klopfer website)  Have used it about a dozen times so it is early days yet and in the system there are various combinations so it is not that straightforward to give you a definite answer.    Just been playing this afternoon - 15 spins won 10 units     14 spins won 2 units   16 spins was losing 10 units but continued playing and came back to winning 3 units so it is not a sure fire winner but has possibilities.  I think that it depends on what you start playing:  e.g.  RED lst column/3rd column.  It is flat betting.    We are know that spin outcomes come in waves (or mine certainly do   William Hill mainly I play)    for instance a lot more reds than blacks but after a while it changes around to the other way so this is how I think this strategy works if you are not winning at the beginning     Yes please send me the spin record and I`ll g
ive it a try     (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address))         

Best regards,

Brian

In response to the question can roulette be beat consistantly or will the house always win. The answer is yes, but its not that cut and dry. You see, if you were to play any wheel, live online or traditional…if you were to bet on every single spin then you would most likely come out behind, this is because you have to learn to identify the very best spins, and you have to have an array of solid advantage play strategies to back you up. Even for the very best AP player, you have to pick and choose your spins, this is a simple task to master…you simply have to posess the know how. If you are interested, check out the website at http://www.beatthewheel.webs.com. You can come out ahead of the casino consistantly….but you have to be patient, you have to practice, and study the wheel, and you have to employ what is referred to in the gambling world as the “surgical strike”. Any wheel can be beaten, and by beaten I mean that you can win more than you lose consistantly. No one will EVER be able to win each and every spin unless they are psycic. It wont happen, trust me. You can, however, win 90% of the bets you choose to place, when you play with skill, and when you learn to identify the most opportune times to bet. Check out the site, you wont be dissapointed…I garuntee it. Free updates daily for members, and unlimited personal support. Good luck.—-Brian

rgubbins - 16 September 2011 09:05 AM

will the house always win?

You have to keep in mind that winning part of casino is just 5.26% in American roulette for example. So remaining 94.74% will be spread between players, that for you’ll need system, not to challenge casino but players. And yes house always wins. (5.26%) read more