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Posted: 21 July 2015 02:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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roulettedealer - 21 July 2015 12:28 PM

let me just add something real quick, if it sounded like I was trying to insult you…I wasn’t. you said that I don’t fully explain what it is I do so that it can be fully interpreted and used, and this is true…I don’t. its no secret that my method is for sale, and that is why I don’t fully disclose any information. mostly I communicate via email and keep a line of communication open with my customers and guide them through the process of cracking whichever wheel they choose to play. I am not soliciting, I am simply letting you know why you might find some of my info incomplete. it would not be fair to the people who have paid for my advice to share it openly with everyone. it took me a long time and a lot of work to develop the method I use, and I felt like I deserved to be compensated for it. nothing in life is free. I do play about 2-3 times a week now, however, I used to only play in a team about once a week, and solo once or twice. I have been traveling a lot in the past couple of years and playing up and down the gulf coast and in vegas. I prefer the roulette in MS and LA and the dice in vegas. I am also a skilled dice controller with a pretty good track record. anyways, just a little about myself and answers to some of your comments. I also trade the Forex market daily, so life is a gamble for me, and so far im up. way up.

Brian, like.. Sincerely.
If you wanna be secretive about your play, then be my guest. You are more then welcome to do so.
But what is your reason to post something what you know to be incorrect or unreasonable??? And even more funny, you say that my understanding is not enough to judge about your methods.
I’m not your costumer, probably l would even consider to become one, if your posts would make a bit more sense.
Statements like ” start 3 second time in known revolution ”
” add ball jumps” ..ets just make me laugh. But someone reading it without proper knowledge can BELIVE in your tolking and spend some time recerching bs.
There is no need to make it more simple for general public, but why making it more difficult for someone who gonna genuinely research forums for ideas? As l have seen up till now you do not address my direct statements. In my posts here in this topic you will find a lot of moments where l can not agree with your statements. You are welcome to address any of them.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 02:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I believe it is the only legal way to beat the odds. define beat the game? I mean, you might have a streak playing outside bets that lasts for weeks, but you can only attribute this to luck as you have not overcome the house edge. in the end, luck plays a small role in every aspect of the game, in my opinion, but I do believe that the only way to overcome the house edge is VB.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 02:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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the reason why I may not be addressing your exact comments is because I cannot understand many of them, your sentences are poorly composed, maybe its a language barrier…not sure. again, not taking a shot at you. I don’t try to hide my methods, its just not fair to my customers to share the same info for free with others that they have paid for. there is nothing secret about the subject of VB anyways, only a different take on it depending on who you ask. the way I play is most likely the same way many people play….on a fundamental level, just the way we go about it is slightly different. if you have a direct question about my post, ask me now and I will answer it for you….no childish attacks or youll simply get the same in return. I will admit that I find this sort of back and forth bickering kinda fun…..sorry. let me know if you have a legit question.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 03:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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roulettedealer - 21 July 2015 02:53 PM

the reason why I may not be addressing your exact comments is because I cannot understand many of them, your sentences are poorly composed, maybe its a language barrier…not sure. again, not taking a shot at you. I don’t try to hide my methods, its just not fair to my customers to share the same info for free with others that they have paid for. there is nothing secret about the subject of VB anyways, only a different take on it depending on who you ask. the way I play is most likely the same way many people play….on a fundamental level, just the way we go about it is slightly different. if you have a direct question about my post, ask me now and I will answer it for you….no childish attacks or youll simply get the same in return. I will admit that I find this sort of back and forth bickering kinda fun…..sorry. let me know if you have a legit question.

Question number one. Why you admitted need to apply time in known revolution of ball? If you know revolution, why to apply time?
Question number 2. Do you realize, that applying your mapping method, you still have significant dispersion in time till ball take to arrive to your target ? As l understood you are targeting drop zone.
Adding ball jumps in this case to your offset creates additional dispersion where it should not be in order to make money.
Question number 3. Why would you rate deallers,if dealler can change type of throw any moment without realising himself?
Number 4. How you can advice your clients about ” whichever wheels they choose to play”? Shouldn’t you be advising then about ” if they are able to beat the wheel they are tracking” in the first place?

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Posted: 21 July 2015 04:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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im still not sure what you are asking me in a couple of your questions. about choosing the dealer….the dealer can help or hurt the player. you need a dealer who allows enough time to bet, and who spins a group of consistant wheel speeds, and who also launches the ball from the same point consistently. and about advising my clients on different wheels, my method can be used on any wheel, though more effectively on some than others. I ask for certain data about the wheel they are playing on, and I don’t mean the model of wheel, but spin data. I use this to determine how playable the wheel is and which methods would be the best to use on it. what are you asking me exactly about adding a count to a revolution? quote the text exactly and ill let you know what I mean.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 04:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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roulettedealer - 21 July 2015 04:14 PM

im still not sure what you are asking me in a couple of your questions. about choosing the dealer….the dealer can help or hurt the player. you need a dealer who allows enough time to bet, and who spins a group of consistant wheel speeds, and who also launches the ball from the same point consistently. and about advising my clients on different wheels, my method can be used on any wheel, though more effectively on some than others. I ask for certain data about the wheel they are playing on, and I don’t mean the model of wheel, but spin data. I use this to determine how playable the wheel is and which methods would be the best to use on it. what are you asking me exactly about adding a count to a revolution? quote the text exactly and ill let you know what I mean.

So you are saying you can beat any wheel???  shock
Why would you not ask about the model? Ball in use? Can not be bothered?
I’m referring to applying TIME, not the count, in ” specific ball speed in relation to wheel speed”. Why would you apply the time in this case if you can take your observation number directly?
You spoke about ” determining drop point” , how can it be real, if ball can go to any diamond and jump whatever after?
I can’t determine drop point even with avidemux software wich has 20 ms steps in video frame by frame function.
I’m just wondering as always… We hat kind of wheels you guys have there!!! Sims everyone is a ninja in novadays. But when it comes to show off, not many could empress me. Do you have wheel at home? Make a video of you predicting.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 05:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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X number of ball rev. per wheel rotation is one basic way of predicting ball drop, but there are much better ways out there. I use a reference number to time the wheel and ball intersections, the number is a pocket. if I use the zero, then the reference number is zero…this is one way I time the wheel and ball, but I use the deflectors as well. when determining ball drop, it is not an exact science, there is room for error, however, you have significantly increased your advantage by doing so, regardless of any unforeseen circumstances. many times, the deflector being struck is not a problem when it comes down to ball drop, because if you are playing on an ideal wheel speed then it will not throw off your prediction by much. scatter is an average, not an exact number, so the ball striking the deflectors will average in over the coarse of your observations, and this will be accounted for in your average ball scatter. I don’t care what the model of the wheel is, because they can all be played using my method, you simply have to collect new data for each wheel. and about my mapping system, this system is not flawed at all, this is a very accurate method of predicting ball drop, but it is tedious and not necessary in some cases. I use this method only in a team where we are using various different methods at the same time, or when it is the most suitable because of the wheel I am playing. this method works great on automated wheels. what else do you have me? without the sarcasm?

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Posted: 21 July 2015 06:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Brian, if you determine revolution ( ball speed) properly, there is no ideal wheel speed. No overlaps,bro,it just do not exist in nature. You gonna be either right, or wrong by half of wheel. Only overlap you may expect is between timings from some specific ball speed, leading to different places and jumps from these places going same zone in relation of your prediction( observation). Other case you may expect to happen is double pick in scatter graph ,wich may compensate for your ball measure error,or may not( subject to “conditions” wich moust players are even not aware of).
And even more funny that this particular effects don’t gonna depend on method, its just something that happens there. So you know how to use it , or you do not.
Mapping method is OK,just not easy to adapt to the changes…
But determine drop point…. Best,you can determine is ball speed range. Speaking about determine drop point is simply unreasonable. To determine it properly you need predict in wich part of diamond ball gonna hitt (wich you can not).
On my opinion , if you really think you are such a superman, you have there titled wheels, in wich case there is no need to determine it in the first place.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 06:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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the wheel speed is as much a part of the equation as the ball speed. lets say in a perfect world the ball is spun the exact same speed , English, from the same starting point, everything identical….for two consecutive spins back to back…just as an example. now, the ball deceleration is going to be the same, meaning if the ball made 18 revs before falling then it will do it both spins, meaning that if it was spun from the same point each time, that it would fall in the same general area of the ball track. now, lets say you have a 1 second wheel (to make things easy mathematically) on the first spin, and the ball drops (drop point) on the single zero, scatters and then lands in X number. Now on the second spin, everything is the same except the wheel is traveling at a 3 second rev. this means that in this example the ball will drop at the same time and the same point in the track, but the wheel would have made 1/3 the number of revs as the first spin, meaning that if, for example, the wheel was in the same orientation for each spin when the ball was released, then a different number will be beneath the ball when it falls for each spin. that being said, how can you say that the wheel speed has nothing to do with it? that’s insane. it has everything to do with it, ball speed tells you nothing on its own, you need multiple factors combined to give you an accurate ball drop, and yes, the ball drop can be predicted…..I do it all the time. I also clock the wheel when im dealing as well, so I get a lot of practice… the moral of the story is….keep practicing.

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Posted: 21 July 2015 08:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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roulettedealer - 21 July 2015 06:54 PM

the wheel speed is as much a part of the equation as the ball speed. lets say in a perfect world the ball is spun the exact same speed , English, from the same starting point, everything identical….for two consecutive spins back to back…just as an example. now, the ball deceleration is going to be the same, meaning if the ball made 18 revs before falling then it will do it both spins, meaning that if it was spun from the same point each time, that it would fall in the same general area of the ball track. now, lets say you have a 1 second wheel (to make things easy mathematically) on the first spin, and the ball drops (drop point) on the single zero, scatters and then lands in X number. Now on the second spin, everything is the same except the wheel is traveling at a 3 second rev. this means that in this example the ball will drop at the same time and the same point in the track, but the wheel would have made 1/3 the number of revs as the first spin, meaning that if, for example, the wheel was in the same orientation for each spin when the ball was released, then a different number will be beneath the ball when it falls for each spin. that being said, how can you say that the wheel speed has nothing to do with it? that’s insane. it has everything to do with it, ball speed tells you nothing on its own, you need multiple factors combined to give you an accurate ball drop, and yes, the ball drop can be predicted…..I do it all the time. I also clock the wheel when im dealing as well, so I get a lot of practice… the moral of the story is….keep practicing.

Moral of the story is other. As l told you, its impossible to predict ball drop point because ball can drop from same speed on 3 diamonds or even between them . Differences will be so small,that already 2 mouths folks from other forum look for them with avidemux( video editing software). And it has nothing to do with wheel speed. What you are speaking about is a ” drop number”.
Ball drop point can be limited statistically or juged by deviations in ball deceleration pattern. Even so, we only can limit 2 of 3 of them defining such a pattern.
If you have such a good results with mapping method, then you have a heavily titled wheel, where you do not need to determine drop point.
Besides everything, your mapping method will rely on very accurate estimation of rotor speed. And will be effective in one sett of conditions only. If not, you do not know if ball is more qweak or rotor, wich put you in position of being right only 1 in 3 times about your estimation of ball speed using rotor. In fact even worst. You may have
Ball OK wheel OK
Ball more qweak wheel OK
Ball more slow wheel OK
Wheel more qweak ball OK
Wheel more slow ball OK
Ball more qweak wheel more slow
Wheel more qweak ball more slow.
On a closer look ... It’s a disaster!!!!
So, Brian, the only thing l can tell you is KEEP DREAMING!!!

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Posted: 21 July 2015 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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you keep telling me that my methods don’t work, but I am telling you that I have been using them for years. you also contradict yourself, you say that it is impossible to determine the ball drop, then you say that the only way to determine it is with blah blah blah, and it only works with blah amount of accuracy. it works or it doesn’t, you can or you cant. which is it? I know you cant, that is clear. I can and I do. you are the typical gambler, trapped by the house edge, bitter, and rejecting of anything anyone else has to offer in the way of a success story. what makes you the expert anyways? all you are doing is stating that you know no way of beating the wheel, and I am telling you that I have one. every time I am dealing roulette, I clock the wheel after I spin it and tell players where to bet, and would you believe that not one of them listens….even when they see I am right 3 out or 5 spins! this is because they are all like you…..they are not looking for an answer, they are trying to prove that one does not exist….which is futile buddy. I could go back and forth with you forever, but you really should do your homework before you come at me, because I am the expert on the subject, I am doing it everyday…and that’s the fact of the matter. so listen or not (probably not), but as I said before, I do enjoy the back and forth arguments…kinda fun. oh yeah, and I challenge you to offer this forum one useful piece of information about how to clock the wheel, just one that they can benefit from…in your response to this post…..please, I cant wait to see what you come up with. thanks.

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Posted: 22 July 2015 02:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Brian, while you are “enjoying arguments back and foward”, You are better read what other part has to say. 3 spins out of 5? Do you tell them tiers or vousins of zero?And even if lm right about my assumption, why you are still dealer? But please don’t tell me that it’s an exciting job,where you have a chance to touch casino chips !!! A LOT!!!LOLOL. Better call your friends to your table and tell them where to bet, if your employer will tolerate such a practice for a while, you and your friends could make a fortune very qweak with such an amazing skill you have
  It’s pointless to call me names or become emotional without addressing my arguments directly. You are speaking about ” your method” of beating the wheel wich ” you developed”, absolutely forgetting that similar methods have been explained long before you.
INFACT,speaking about any exclusivity after books of Pier Basieux and Lourence Scott is a bliss.
I sudjest you following, Film 10 spins , predict them by your method, and look frame by frame timings of wheel and ball rotations. Determine variance wich your measurements is subject of And stop tolking bs.
I will not tolerate someone claiming to be an expert in beating wheel without taking in consideration model of the wheel!!! Never! HG approach do not work. Beating wheel with high or low separators is not the same thing! Even variations of diamond shapes matters. Mixing approaches to the different types of wheel is definitely not the way to go smile.
As you stated previously, your method is hardly effective even during same session. How you can advice your clients about the wheel they wanna play by email then? Instead of wasting their and your time, teach them to adjust !!!!
One more thing? Your ” team” where everyone sims to be in possession of working method for beating the wheel, made for wich purposes exactly? Drink beer together after the game or during it? How you can form a team where people doing things differently? You can’t even track together, because everyone would focus of different moments of spin to take reading. Oh.. I forgot, you have “plug and play ” data taking method,wich can be used with ” whatever AP method you use”.
If you are so desesperated for hints to “challenge” me , you will find some useful info in my posts. You do not even need to go looking out of this topic. I could list them for you, but l believe knowledge deserves little effort from your part.
I can give you one hint dow. Double rotor estimation time and you will triple accuracy wink.

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Posted: 22 July 2015 11:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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exactly what I expected…long winded insults and absolutely no sign of intelligent life, whatsoever. you are making such an easy task soooooooo difficult…its funny. clocking the wheel with moderate accuracy is not difficult at all…especially when someone else is telling you how to do it, the hard part is the discipline it takes to make it work for you. you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but you already know that, so why am I telling you. you sound a lot like someone else who used to love to go back and forth with me on this forum…tiki..or whatever. he was just as ignorant as you about all things roulette and gambling in general. you are so focused on trying to discredit others that you never take the time to really learn the methods and develop the skills to really challenge the validity of their statements in the first place. nothing you say makes any sense at all, a complete waste of breath. I hope that no one reading these posts actually tries to discern any of what you are saying, or their head may start spinning. I never claimed to have discovered anything new when it comes to AP, what I said was that every method is similar in its fundamentals, however, there are many different takes on the same concept…some better than others and some that work better for others. its all about the way you think and the way your mind works out a problem…..but you don’t have to worry about any of that, because you have it all figured out already….its the rest of us poor loosers who are lost in the clouds..searching for answers…its a good thing you are here to shoot us down from time to time. ha ha ha. if you really want to learn something, all you have to do is ask…im here for you. take your time with your next reply…please, you make this too easy.

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Posted: 22 July 2015 12:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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sergiy - 22 July 2015 02:30 AM

Brian, while you are “enjoying arguments back and foward”, You are better read what other part has to say. 3 spins out of 5? Do you tell them tiers or vousins of zero?And even if lm right about my assumption, why you are still dealer? But please don’t tell me that it’s an exciting job,where you have a chance to touch casino chips !!! A LOT!!!LOLOL. Better call your friends to your table and tell them where to bet, if your employer will tolerate such a practice for a while, you and your friends could make a fortune very qweak with such an amazing skill you have
  It’s pointless to call me names or become emotional without addressing my arguments directly. You are speaking about ” your method” of beating the wheel wich ” you developed”, absolutely forgetting that similar methods have been explained long before you.
INFACT,speaking about any exclusivity after books of Pier Basieux and Lourence Scott is a bliss.
I sudjest you following, Film 10 spins , predict them by your method, and look frame by frame timings of wheel and ball rotations. Determine variance wich your measurements is subject of And stop tolking bs.
I will not tolerate someone claiming to be an expert in beating wheel without taking in consideration model of the wheel!!! Never! HG approach do not work. Beating wheel with high or low separators is not the same thing! Even variations of diamond shapes matters. Mixing approaches to the different types of wheel is definitely not the way to go smile.
As you stated previously, your method is hardly effective even during same session. How you can advice your clients about the wheel they wanna play by email then? Instead of wasting their and your time, teach them to adjust !!!!
One more thing? Your ” team” where everyone sims to be in possession of working method for beating the wheel, made for wich purposes exactly? Drink beer together after the game or during it? How you can form a team where people doing things differently? You can’t even track together, because everyone would focus of different moments of spin to take reading. Oh.. I forgot, you have “plug and play ” data taking method,wich can be used with ” whatever AP method you use”.
If you are so desesperated for hints to “challenge” me , you will find some useful info in my posts. You do not even need to go looking out of this topic. I could list them for you, but l believe knowledge deserves little effort from your part.
I can give you one hint dow. Double rotor estimation time and you will triple accuracy wink.

Serge. I hit those figures regularly on certain wheels. 7 to 9 numbers I have hit 7/7 more than once.

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Posted: 22 July 2015 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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VB Meister - 22 July 2015 12:49 PM
sergiy - 22 July 2015 02:30 AM

Brian, while you are “enjoying arguments back and foward”, You are better read what other part has to say. 3 spins out of 5? Do you tell them tiers or vousins of zero?And even if lm right about my assumption, why you are still dealer? But please don’t tell me that it’s an exciting job,where you have a chance to touch casino chips !!! A LOT!!!LOLOL. Better call your friends to your table and tell them where to bet, if your employer will tolerate such a practice for a while, you and your friends could make a fortune very qweak with such an amazing skill you have
  It’s pointless to call me names or become emotional without addressing my arguments directly. You are speaking about ” your method” of beating the wheel wich ” you developed”, absolutely forgetting that similar methods have been explained long before you.
INFACT,speaking about any exclusivity after books of Pier Basieux and Lourence Scott is a bliss.
I sudjest you following, Film 10 spins , predict them by your method, and look frame by frame timings of wheel and ball rotations. Determine variance wich your measurements is subject of And stop tolking bs.
I will not tolerate someone claiming to be an expert in beating wheel without taking in consideration model of the wheel!!! Never! HG approach do not work. Beating wheel with high or low separators is not the same thing! Even variations of diamond shapes matters. Mixing approaches to the different types of wheel is definitely not the way to go smile.
As you stated previously, your method is hardly effective even during same session. How you can advice your clients about the wheel they wanna play by email then? Instead of wasting their and your time, teach them to adjust !!!!
One more thing? Your ” team” where everyone sims to be in possession of working method for beating the wheel, made for wich purposes exactly? Drink beer together after the game or during it? How you can form a team where people doing things differently? You can’t even track together, because everyone would focus of different moments of spin to take reading. Oh.. I forgot, you have “plug and play ” data taking method,wich can be used with ” whatever AP method you use”.
If you are so desesperated for hints to “challenge” me , you will find some useful info in my posts. You do not even need to go looking out of this topic. I could list them for you, but l believe knowledge deserves little effort from your part.
I can give you one hint dow. Double rotor estimation time and you will triple accuracy wink.

Serge. I hit those figures regularly on certain wheels. 7 to 9 numbers I have hit 7/7 more than once.

Exactly. Right to the point.
On sertain wheels. Definitely not with his method. However l don’t see you calming ability to beat any wheel out of there, predict where ball gonna hit on every spin doing it every time..ets. l don’t see you calming to be an expert ( wich normal expert hardly ever do). I do not see you promoting any method in particular to ” benefit humanity” for 300 per human smile. Why is it so? I don’t do these things either, nor Houston does , or Ibot. Who can really do it, will not be bragging about it , but rather keep knolidge by himself. On best case , teaching team member’s do same thing exactly as others doing…
Doesn’t matter, just getting pissed off with people speaking about things they do not understand properly.

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