Hello all,

Did anyone ever heared of the Roulette Summit Method
B.t.w. it’s a dutch website about this strategie: http://www.strategieroulette.org

Do you think it’s worth to buy?

When trying to decide if a system is worth bying, you have to make sure it features AP(advantage playd) methods. If the system you are interested in does not feature AP, then it is worthless. No advantage can be gained over the house through any system of bets without the incorportation of an AP method of some sort. There are many out there, but they are all centered around the same goal: roulette prediction. If a site offers fancy betting strategies and intricate bankroll systems, but does not provide any method for which to predict where the ball will land, then it is the same as betting blind…no advantage whatsoever and not worth wasting your money on. So be sure the site offers a method of roulette prediction before you buy, if not…keep looking. Good luck.—-Brian

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I have a wife who understands Dutch and I decided this evening to try this system (mainly as I was curious to see why they claim to give so much higher chances than most systems on the internet. 
I must say that it is indeed very interesting. And even the math seems to be correct ( as far as I am able to judge). It it nothing I have seen on the internet so far. I played it and it is very easy to win indeed but as he mentions himselve; the method is not very fast. You do need some patience with it but the odds are indeed very good.  I only played with 0,10 euro as unit ( as I always do when trying a new method) but in about one hour I was up almost 50 units. And the required capital is quite small. I will try to win sufficient to step up playing with 1 euro as unit.

The odds arent any better than any other blind betting system anywhere on the web. A simple betting strategy, no matter how intricate or well thought out, will never change the odds of the game in favor of the player. The math is always the same, the house edge is always in favor of the house and unchanged unless an AP method is being utilized. I hope everyone realizes this.—-Brian

If you have nothing else to report than trying to be negative then I wonder why you are at this forum?

I am fully aware of the house edge.  And yes the odds are in principal in favour of the house.

And yes the odds tell us that with every spin the chances of getting red or black are exactly the same.  That is all true but it is also true that in the long run there is a natural equilibrium and based on this equilibrium the chances of having (for example) 20 times red after another are 2^20 and that is exactly the same as any other sequence of 20 spins.  But this also means that the chance of getting 20 reds is in fact 1 in 1048576 (so 1 in a million).  This leaves 1048575 chances of NOT getting 20 reds. 
If we take in mind all the people buying lottery tickets with a chance of winning of maybe 1 in a billion (or worse) than why would we not try to create systems for gambling with a loss chance of 2.7%. 
I have not seen systems advertized claiming to win all the time.  Most systems I have seen are based on statistics and the equivalent chances.  And if such methods are combined with good money management and a good betting strategy than the chances of winning may be a lot better than most lotteries. Furthermore a roulette system will often help people to play more disciplined (and to not play based on emotions) increasing their chances.  we all know that most money is lost because people believe to be lucky (after some wins) and then play and play until they loose it all again.  So with structure during the playing people may play more disciplined and as such have a better chance to leave with their winnings.

So if you have nothing else to add here than the same repeated line: “you cannot beat the odds” you can save your breath and time. We all know your point of view by now.  If you do want to contribute again then please try to be somewhat original and come up with something new or give us your view how you propose to play roulette.

I am with you on that statement casino observer,i am also wondering when brian will post without putting the letters AP in there somewhere ?

CasinoObserver - 20 December 2011 05:08 AM

If you have nothing else to report than trying to be negative then I wonder why you are at this forum?

I am fully aware of the house edge.  And yes the odds are in principal in favour of the house.

And yes the odds tell us that with every spin the chances of getting red or black are exactly the same.  That is all true but it is also true that in the long run there is a natural equilibrium and based on this equilibrium the chances of having (for example) 20 times red after another are 2^20 and that is exactly the same as any other sequence of 20 spins.  But this also means that the chance of getting 20 reds is in fact 1 in 1048576 (so 1 in a million).  This leaves 1048575 chances of NOT getting 20 reds. 
If we take in mind all the people buying lottery tickets with a chance of winning of maybe 1 in a billion (or worse) than why would we not try to create systems for gambling with a loss chance of 2.7%.

What does it mean when we say the odds favor the house?  It means that in the long run, the universe of many thousands of spins in which the casinos live, the house is guaranteed to come out ahead.  This is easily demonstrated with a simple example.  Over time, assuming an unbiased wheel, every number will come up proportionately close to an average of 1/37th (Eurpoean wheel) or 1/38th (American wheel) of the time.  Suppose a player bets one unit on each of two columns covering 24 numbers.  That player is expected to win one unit 24 times, getting paid 2:1 for the winner while losing the other bet.  That player is expected to lose two units the other 13 or 14 times.  Total winnings = 24 * 1 = 24; total losses = 13 or 14 * 2 = 26 or 28 for an average loss of 2 or 4 units every 37 or 38 spins even though the player wins more spins than he loses.

It is quite easy, even trivial, to design a betting system that wins more times than it loses.  (A simple Martingale on any of the even money outside bets will do.)  But that does not make it a winning system!  So a system loses only 2.7% of the time.  That is about one time in 40.  Do 40 winning sessions make up for the one losing one?  That is the key question, and the mathematics of the game say that without advantage play they can not.

Indications are that tomuen has developed a system that wins a little a lot of the time, but failures have been reported.  Fortunately for the players those failures have come after enough winning sessions so that no players have been busted, but a failure can occur at any time, including the first time.  What Brian and I caution against is believing Project X = Holy Grail because it has lost only a few times.  We of course want it to be the Holy Grail, but we cannot let that desire blind us to the reality that in the long run it probably is not.  (Yes, I concede that tomuen may have discovered a flaw in probability theory; I’m just not betting on it.)

From the posts here I get the feeling people are winning a little most, maybe even almost all, of the time.  Cool!  That is what losing (or negative) progressions do, and so long as you understand that the rare large losses are expected to overshadow the frequent and small wins then Project X is as good as any other system.  My concern is that such frequent wins will generate a false sense of security, particularly when I see posts suggesting running the system on “turbo”.  I have seen players lose their last dollar when the “impossible” happened; it wasn’t pretty.  I’m hoping none of you play that role.

Did anyone her try this unknown system? 

If so please let us know if it works or not.

Thanks

CO

Hi there dear roulette peoplez,

After taking some serious beating on Pokerhuis and predicting the system would fail i have come back to you.
I stay with my judgement that Pokerhuis should not be trusted in any way, and that i shall not been spending time on them anymore.

I can say that some other rooms made my spend time worth it with the system promoted, thus my apologies to the makers and faithfull followers.

Now to get back on topic.

This site that is full Dutch and it seems to me like someone is on the break of making some quick money.

Simple math of 1+1+1+1+1+1= 6

1. The site is cheaply made
2. The words repeated are cheap aswell.
3. The dutch frases used are even more cheap
4. The movie posted is fake (play money)
5. The maker uses some kind of advertisement lay out to keep your eye on focussed on things he wants you to focus.
6. There isn’t a direct price on the page itself + if you have ‘‘the’’ winning system you wont be selling it for a price doesn’t matter what the price is.

Putting this all together, do not attempt to buy it because you will not be satisfied. There are alot of scams on the internet and this is just one of those.

EDIT:

This rating is my opinion alone so do with it what you will. CO made it clear the system works and he has the right to.

anymore questions can be PM   about the site.

Roger10four

CasinoObserver, Can you tell something about the system on the website?

For me € 99,- is still a lot of money to spend on something I don’t know if it is working.

Dear roulettestrategie,

i advice you to leave this program alone.
the reason why is posted above.

If a system is popular its at least youtube-able.
i would advice anyone to use PX.
I have tested a few programs myself and all will fail withing 1000-2000 spins, ofc. except for PX.

now i will repeat it in Dutch for the same reason to keep people away from scams. EDITTED
if you have to squeeze your ass because the price is to high don’t buy it.
Only buy stuff that are buyable with your bankroll budget.

Beste roulettestrategie,

Ik adviseer je om dit programma te laten voor wat het is.
de reden waarom is een paar posts terug te lezen.

Als een succesvol roulette systeem echt succesvol is dan is het te youtuben, zo niet dan zuigt het duidelijk.
Ik adviseer 1 ieder om PX te gebruiken.
Ik heb zelf een aantal progamma’s geprobeerd en allen heeft gefaalt binnen 1000-2000 spins, uiteraard PX niet.
Als de prijs te hoog is en je voelt het zweet al langs je naat lopen omdat je twijfelt of het wel een goede beslissing is of niet, doe het dan niet.
houd je aan bankroll management, staat je bankroll het toe dan kan je met een gerust hart 99 euro besteden.

you are free to listen or not but don’t say i didn’t warn you.
Ik hoop je hiermee op de hoogte te hebben gesteld en gewaarschuwd te hebben. mocht het progamma falen na 1000-2000 spins dan is dat pech voor de vogel die het gekocht heeft.

Roger.

I have invested in this program and it is no scam. It works as they promise it will. It only has one major drawback and that is the fact that is works very very slow.
So either you need to have patience or you have to write a computer bot based on the system.  PX will give faster results but I do not feel cheated by this system (and I felt cheated by most systems I have purchased so far). But I am curious to see how others feel about this system and how quickly they make a profit.

I think that ROulette Summit owners simply want to make more money by selling their ideas and possibly because they also experience that the system is rather slow. Nevertheless I think that it is too easy to simply call everything a scam if you have not tried the system and did not check if it works or not.

I think is it good it we find sytems sellers to scam us to make it known, but to condem people if you do not know what they sell seems unfair imho.

Cheers
CO

CO is right in his opinion and i adjusted the posts to my opinion.

I thought i did but it clearly stated that the system ‘‘was+is’’ scam now its editted to my opinion only and i hope it sooths some minds.

cheers and love ,

Roger

CasinoObserver - 18 February 2012 03:41 PM

I have invested in this program and it is no scam. It works as they promise it will. It only has one major drawback and that is the fact that is works very very slow.
So either you need to have patience or you have to write a computer bot based on the system.  PX will give faster results but I do not feel cheated by this system (and I felt cheated by most systems I have purchased so far). But I am curious to see how others feel about this system and how quickly they make a profit.

I think that ROulette Summit owners simply want to make more money by selling their ideas and possibly because they also experience that the system is rather slow. Nevertheless I think that it is too easy to simply call everything a scam if you have not tried the system and did not check if it works or not.

I think is it good it we find sytems sellers to scam us to make it known, but to condem people if you do not know what they sell seems unfair imho.

Cheers
CO

Hi CO ,remember me? How you doing? you says that this system works( slowly,but works).... One my friend told me that this system doesn’t works…..the site is rouletteguysecret.com(in the video says this)??  I know from many people that this is a SCAM my friend…. This guy who sell this strategy in th ebeginning have says to us that he is selling this system because he will die(cancer I think).....Now I must to rejoin to PX( I was absent for some time,because my mother has accident and was in the hospital….)  I read the PX forum from last days and you guys have make great job!  But now I don’t have money to join in tests….maybe soon….So my question is,why you say that this system(rouletteguysecret) works? You are sure for this? Because I Want one system like this(slow and with minimum Bankroll)

No, this is not the case.  The summit guys are not the same as the rouletteguysecret.com
As I mentioned I bought the system and it does work but very slow. These guys (or this guy?) did the math and discovered something that indeed increased the chances of winning to some 99,99999%. The system will survive a bad strike of 26 spins which is more than any other systems I have seen doing. 

I see a lot on this forum that people draw conclusions without knowing what they talk about.  IN fact that is the reason I decided to check this system and buy it.  I think it is very safe but very slow indeed.

Cheers
CO