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Posted: 17 March 2012 05:30 PM   [ Ignore ]
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hello,

yes, it is possible to win
hard work ... long time playing ... steel nerves ...knowing when to start and to stop ...
you can change the odds in your favour
between 1,3 and 2,1 % gains on turnover .... not so bad in the long run
want to know more ... just reply

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Posted: 18 March 2012 01:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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explain pls

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Posted: 18 April 2012 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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yes, please do explain how you can overcome the house edge?

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Posted: 18 April 2012 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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hello sprogy newbie,

my opinion,

only one way

develop your own systems (or use existing ones) and change constantly
to diffuse the programs

kind regards

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Posted: 19 April 2012 03:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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TTBTR - 18 April 2012 06:04 PM

hello sprogy newbie,

my opinion,

only one way

develop your own systems (or use existing ones) and change constantly
to diffuse the programs

kind regards

I do not think people understand the house edge. Sprogy is correct when he says ‘please explain how you overcome the house edge. TTBTR, you haven’t done that. And you won’t be able to either as long as you are not playing advantage techniques. No ‘blind’ method of predicting can have a reason to turn the house edge around.

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Posted: 19 April 2012 11:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I’m always open to new possibilities of beating the house edge, but changing your strategies does not even begin to explain this

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Posted: 20 April 2012 06:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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sprogy - 19 April 2012 11:58 AM

I’m always open to new possibilities of beating the house edge, but changing your strategies does not even begin to explain this

The only way to beat the house edge is to have good accuracy with predictions. This means for instance to at least hit 1-2 out of 7 spins betting 5 numbers. No system can do this in the longrun. Only advantage techniques can simply because you know+/- where the ball will enter the rotor and therefore you are playing against way less numbers than the 37 system players are left open to. That is the reality. No system player can explain why their system would beat the house edge simply because it can’t. No blind system can make predictions more accurate as explained above. It stays blind and you stay open to the 37 possible outcomes. It does not matter how you wrap it it or if you put it in a box with a ribbon, it does not change the beast inside.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 04:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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VB Meister - 20 April 2012 06:01 AM
sprogy - 19 April 2012 11:58 AM

I’m always open to new possibilities of beating the house edge, but changing your strategies does not even begin to explain this

The only way to beat the house edge is to have good accuracy with predictions. This means for instance to at least hit 1-2 out of 7 spins betting 5 numbers. No system can do this in the longrun. Only advantage techniques can simply because you know+/- where the ball will enter the rotor and therefore you are playing against way less numbers than the 37 system players are left open to. That is the reality. No system player can explain why their system would beat the house edge simply because it can’t. No blind system can make predictions more accurate as explained above. It stays blind and you stay open to the 37 possible outcomes. It does not matter how you wrap it it or if you put it in a box with a ribbon, it does not change the beast inside.

I’ve found this to be very true.

Patience as well.

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Posted: 12 May 2012 04:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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True information here, thanks!
I have been gambling the last years with my own method, but I will do this for a while longer before I talk about it.
So far, so good. Takes a lot of patience and discipline, but it has been succesful so far (longer than I expected). No big
wins, but a lot of fun an hardly losses (at least nog big ones…) I will keep you posted

Greetzz

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Posted: 28 May 2012 11:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Sprogy
I don’t look at the casino edge as an casino advantage or edge.  If you lose a lot it seem like an advantage or edge.  I look at it as a simple CUT of the winnings.  And they deserve the cut.  It covers their OH.  The trick is for us to think positive and figure out ways to win spins.  I’ll take 94.74% and give them 5.26% all day long.  Wouldn’t that be nice?

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Posted: 29 May 2012 02:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 28 May 2012 11:57 AM

Sprogy
I don’t look at the casino edge as an casino advantage or edge.  If you lose a lot it seem like an advantage or edge.  I look at it as a simple CUT of the winnings.  And they deserve the cut.  It covers their OH.  The trick is for us to think positive and figure out ways to win spins.  I’ll take 94.74% and give them 5.26% all day long.  Wouldn’t that be nice?

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Lol. Richie. That is not the way house edge works. In the longrun you will be down the house edge on average. It does not matter if you bet more numbers or less numbers. the payout and amount of numbers bet stays proportionally the same so you do not gain an advantage betting more or less numbers. You will loose at the same house edge over the longrun. smile

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Posted: 29 May 2012 05:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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It’s tough through emails and chat forums…..I obviously didn’t explain myself properly….sorry….....allow me to exaggerate to clarify my point.  Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.  The casino only took a cut of your winnings.  Everybody calls it an edge or advantage but it really is simply a cut.  If you win they take a cut….if you lose they get 100%.....as long as you win it really is only a cut.  We only call is an edge or advantage because we lose.  Some of us lose all the time….As long as we win they can have their cut all day long.  It’s really semantics but it’s really only a cut.  It’s like playing cards at a friend’s house….everybody bets and the house takes a small cut of the pot.  The guy who won had a small cut of his bets but he doesn’t care because he won the pot.  Everybody else lost everything….. I hope I made it a little clearer…...If you have a winning attitude you think of it as a cut….if you have a losing attitude you think of it as a casino edge or advantage….just my opinion….

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Posted: 30 May 2012 03:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 29 May 2012 05:10 PM

It’s tough through emails and chat forums…..I obviously didn’t explain myself properly….sorry….....allow me to exaggerate to clarify my point.  Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.  The casino only took a cut of your winnings.  Everybody calls it an edge or advantage but it really is simply a cut.  If you win they take a cut….if you lose they get 100%.....as long as you win it really is only a cut.  We only call is an edge or advantage because we lose.  Some of us lose all the time….As long as we win they can have their cut all day long.  It’s really semantics but it’s really only a cut.  It’s like playing cards at a friend’s house….everybody bets and the house takes a small cut of the pot.  The guy who won had a small cut of his bets but he doesn’t care because he won the pot.  Everybody else lost everything….. I hope I made it a little clearer…...If you have a winning attitude you think of it as a cut….if you have a losing attitude you think of it as a casino edge or advantage….just my opinion….

If you took a random event (which roulette is if you ‘don’t know where the ball is likely to fall’) and let’s for argument say you play all the red numbers which off course is every second number bar the zero. Let’s say you played 100 spins only betting on red. Because of the randomness and the large amount of spins before things kinda equalise you could win 70 and loose 30 or you could loose 70 and win 30 or you could have say 50/50 right? The thing is this. You don’t know in the short term. Let’s now say you played red for 3700 spins, you are likely to have won about 50% of the spins. Now this is where the zero and the house edge comes in. You see you need to win that extra 2,7% just to break even. Then you have to win an extra percentage just to be up. Now by playing less or more numbers have no effect because like mentioned in my previous post the payout is directly linked to amount of numbers played. So you still sit with the same maths. No matter what the system, in the longrun you will be down 2,7% (Euro wheel).

‘Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.’ This quote of yours means nothing. What if you lost the first 5 bets? Now you have catchup to do. In the longrun you will be down by the house edge.

Again. If we know the ball will land in one half of the wheel, we effectively are betting against 17/18 numbers. Let’s say we bet only every second number in that half. You have turned the house edge in your favour because you are not betting agaist 37 numbers with 35 to 1 payout. You are betting against half the numbers or quarter of the numbers with a 35 to 1 payout. That is the only way to beat roulette.

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Posted: 30 May 2012 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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hello richie chips,

you give long explanations ... and thanks for your time ...

let’s clearify playing on “on line casino” or the real ones

-  again ... according to me there is a difference ..
  rng = a computer system ... so systems are probably build in to prevent you from winning
  in the long run ...
  excuse me, I’m not a computer specialist, but I can think logical ...
  like every game of chances ... they are not made for us (players) to win !
  I think though that “us players” can turn the odds a little bit in our favour ..
  few ways to do it (still working on it ... it even became sort of a hobby)

- real (brick and wall ?) casinos don’t interest me that much ...
  to long - to late - to slow ..... even in Europe, where we have casinos practically every 30 km radius

yoho

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Posted: 30 May 2012 08:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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VB Meister - 30 May 2012 03:33 AM
RICHIECHIPS - 29 May 2012 05:10 PM

It’s tough through emails and chat forums…..I obviously didn’t explain myself properly….sorry….....allow me to exaggerate to clarify my point.  Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.  The casino only took a cut of your winnings.  Everybody calls it an edge or advantage but it really is simply a cut.  If you win they take a cut….if you lose they get 100%.....as long as you win it really is only a cut.  We only call is an edge or advantage because we lose.  Some of us lose all the time….As long as we win they can have their cut all day long.  It’s really semantics but it’s really only a cut.  It’s like playing cards at a friend’s house….everybody bets and the house takes a small cut of the pot.  The guy who won had a small cut of his bets but he doesn’t care because he won the pot.  Everybody else lost everything….. I hope I made it a little clearer…...If you have a winning attitude you think of it as a cut….if you have a losing attitude you think of it as a casino edge or advantage….just my opinion….

If you took a random event (which roulette is if you ‘don’t know where the ball is likely to fall’) and let’s for argument say you play all the red numbers which off course is every second number bar the zero. Let’s say you played 100 spins only betting on red. Because of the randomness and the large amount of spins before things kinda equalise you could win 70 and loose 30 or you could loose 70 and win 30 or you could have say 50/50 right? The thing is this. You don’t know in the short term. Let’s now say you played red for 3700 spins, you are likely to have won about 50% of the spins. Now this is where the zero and the house edge comes in. You see you need to win that extra 2,7% just to break even. Then you have to win an extra percentage just to be up. Now by playing less or more numbers have no effect because like mentioned in my previous post the payout is directly linked to amount of numbers played. So you still sit with the same maths. No matter what the system, in the longrun you will be down 2,7% (Euro wheel).

‘Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.’ This quote of yours means nothing. What if you lost the first 5 bets? Now you have catchup to do. In the longrun you will be down by the house edge.

VB
Again you miss the point….Obviousy is you don’t have a winning system the houses edge / advantage will ware you down….However, that was not the point I was making….The point I was making is as long as you are a winner then the casino is only getting a cut.

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Posted: 01 June 2012 12:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 30 May 2012 08:27 PM
VB Meister - 30 May 2012 03:33 AM
RICHIECHIPS - 29 May 2012 05:10 PM

It’s tough through emails and chat forums…..I obviously didn’t explain myself properly….sorry….....allow me to exaggerate to clarify my point.  Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.  The casino only took a cut of your winnings.  Everybody calls it an edge or advantage but it really is simply a cut.  If you win they take a cut….if you lose they get 100%.....as long as you win it really is only a cut.  We only call is an edge or advantage because we lose.  Some of us lose all the time….As long as we win they can have their cut all day long.  It’s really semantics but it’s really only a cut.  It’s like playing cards at a friend’s house….everybody bets and the house takes a small cut of the pot.  The guy who won had a small cut of his bets but he doesn’t care because he won the pot.  Everybody else lost everything….. I hope I made it a little clearer…...If you have a winning attitude you think of it as a cut….if you have a losing attitude you think of it as a casino edge or advantage….just my opinion….

If you took a random event (which roulette is if you ‘don’t know where the ball is likely to fall’) and let’s for argument say you play all the red numbers which off course is every second number bar the zero. Let’s say you played 100 spins only betting on red. Because of the randomness and the large amount of spins before things kinda equalise you could win 70 and loose 30 or you could loose 70 and win 30 or you could have say 50/50 right? The thing is this. You don’t know in the short term. Let’s now say you played red for 3700 spins, you are likely to have won about 50% of the spins. Now this is where the zero and the house edge comes in. You see you need to win that extra 2,7% just to break even. Then you have to win an extra percentage just to be up. Now by playing less or more numbers have no effect because like mentioned in my previous post the payout is directly linked to amount of numbers played. So you still sit with the same maths. No matter what the system, in the longrun you will be down 2,7% (Euro wheel).

‘Let’s assume you jump on a table you have a great system & make 5 bets and win all 5 bets and you leave.’ This quote of yours means nothing. What if you lost the first 5 bets? Now you have catchup to do. In the longrun you will be down by the house edge.

VB
Again you miss the point….Obviousy is you don’t have a winning system the houses edge / advantage will ware you down….However, that was not the point I was making….The point I was making is as long as you are a winner then the casino is only getting a cut.

I’m not missing the point. So you claim to have an advantage then. Explain to me why your system has an advantage. Simple question.

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