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Posted: 01 June 2012 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I never said the palyer had an advantage….I simply said as long as you win the casino has no advantage it only gets a cut.  You call it an advantage I call it a cut of winnings.  So let’s carry it further…we find the Holy Grail…..We play and keep winning…..the casino gets a cut of winnings….I would gladly give the casino a 5.26% cut of my winnings.

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Posted: 01 June 2012 04:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 01 June 2012 11:51 AM

I never said the palyer had an advantage….I simply said as long as you win the casino has no advantage it only gets a cut.  You call it an advantage I call it a cut of winnasasAaaings.  So let’s carry it further…we find the Holy Grail…..We play and keep winning…..the casino gets a cut of winnings….I would gladly give the casino a 5.26% cOiut of my winnings.

As long as you win… Well… That is just that. In the longrun you won’t. You would gladly give tbe casino it’s cut? You are a casino’s dream. You are exactly what they are looking for.

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Posted: 02 June 2012 05:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 01 June 2012 10:51 AM
I never said the palyer had an advantage….I simply said as long as you win the casino has no advantage it only gets a cut.  You call it an advantage I call it a cut of winnimgs.  So let’s carry it further…we find the Holy Grail…..We play and keep winning…..the casino gets a cut of winnings….I would gladly give the casino a 5.26% cut of my winnings.


VB Meister -Posted: 01 June 2012 03:36 PM
As long as you win… Well… That is just that. In the longrun you won’t. You would gladly give tbe casino it’s cut? You are a casino’s dream. You are exactly what they are looking for.

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Your assumption is no one has a system that wins consistently and no one will ever find a system that will win consistently.    If that is the case what are you doing in a Roulette Forum?

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Posted: 03 June 2012 02:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 02 June 2012 05:27 AM

RICHIECHIPS - 01 June 2012 10:51 AM
I never said the palyer had an advantage….I simply said as long as you win the casino has no advantage it only gets a cut.  You call it an advantage I call it a cut of winnimgs.  So let’s carry it further…we find the Holy Grail…..We play and keep winning…..the casino gets a cut of winnings….I would gladly give the casino a 5.26% cut of my winnings.


VB Meister -Posted: 01 June 2012 03:36 PM
As long as you win… Well… That is just that. In the longrun you won’t. You would gladly give tbe casino it’s cut? You are a casino’s dream. You are exactly what they are looking for.

RICHIECHIPS
Your assumption is no one has a system that wins consistently and no one will ever find a system that will win consistently.    If that is the case what are you doing in a Roulette Forum?

Again Richie, if you actually went to the trouble to READ my posts, you would realize that I am on this rouletteforum to save people from throwing away their money. Not just because all systems fail and you will loose your money in the casino but also you will loose money buying so-called hg systems from low life scammers. (which all system sellers are)

I’m showing people that there are ways to beat roulette in the longrun, but that those methods are only advantage play, which really only is vb, bias and certain hybrid ds systems. Last night I played a wheel and conditions were perfect, I won’t tell you what I won because I’ve seen what happened the last time I posted about money.

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Posted: 03 June 2012 09:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 02 June 2012 04:27 AM

RICHIECHIPS - 01 June 2012 10:51 AM
I never said the palyer had an advantage….I simply said as long as you win the casino has no advantage it only gets a cut.  You call it an advantage I call it a cut of winnimgs.  So let’s carry it further…we find the Holy Grail…..We play and keep winning…..the casino gets a cut of winnings….I would gladly give the casino a 5.26% cut of my winnings.

-Posted: 01 June 2012 03:36 PM
As long as you win… Well… That is just that. In the longrun you won’t. You would gladly give tbe casino it’s cut? You are a casino’s dream. You are exactly what they are looking for.

RICHIECHIPS
Your assumption is no one has a system that wins consistently and no one will ever find a system that will win consistently.  If that is the case what are you doing in a Roulette Forum?

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Again Richie, if you actually went to the trouble to READ my posts, you would realize that I am on this rouletteforum to save people from throwing away their money. Not just because all systems fail and you will loose your money in the casino but also you will loose money buying so-called hg systems from low life scammers. (which all system sellers are)

I’m showing people that there are ways to beat roulette in the longrun, but that those methods are only advantage play, which really only is vb, bias and certain hybrid ds systems. Last night I played a wheel and conditions were perfect, I won’t tell you what I won because I’ve seen what happened the last time I posted about money.

I understand better now ....no system works except yours and everybody should follow you.  Thank You

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Posted: 12 June 2012 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 01 June 2012 11:51 AM

I never said the palyer had an advantage….I simply said as long as you win the casino has no advantage it only gets a cut.  You call it an advantage I call it a cut of winnings.  So let’s carry it further…we find the Holy Grail…..We play and keep winning…..the casino gets a cut of winnings….I would gladly give the casino a 5.26% cut of my winnings.

Every now and then I see someone offering a no risk business opportunity like the following.  They have a system that wins almost every time.  Unfortunately, due to some extraordinary circumstance, they need to win more money faster than their bankroll can achieve and so they are looking for a silent partner to accompany them to a casino.  They will teach their partner the system while playing it, and because they are so confident that the system works they will not charge directly for this instruction.  All they want is a cut of the winnings; no winnings, no fee.

Obviously, the problem with this “business opportunity” is that the silent partner is taking all of the risk of loss.  I would have no problem giving the casino a cut of my winnings every time I won if the casino gave me my money back every time I lost.  Unfortunately, it doesn’t.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Where did I say I had a system?  You are the one with a system.  Besides, I thought we were talking theory. It’s like playing cards at a friend’s house.  It’s his house and it’s his food & drink so we voluntary allow the house (him) a 2% cut of every pot.  So no matter who wins he gets 2% of the pot and if he (the house) wins he gets it all.  In a Casino, as longs you walk off a table a winner the casino only gets a cut.  If you walk off a looser you are simply a looser.  We say the casino has an edge or advantage because we (at least most of us) can’t find a system that wins more than it loses.  If we found a system that actually works than the casino only gets a cut.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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My last comment was not for Midnight Skulker…I agree with Midnight.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 12 June 2012 10:11 AM

Where did I say I had a system?  You are the one with a system.  Besides, I thought we were talking theory. It’s like playing cards at a friend’s house.  It’s his house and it’s his food & drink so we voluntary allow the house (him) a 2% cut of every pot.  So no matter who wins he gets 2% of the pot and if he (the house) wins he gets it all.  In a Casino, as longs you walk off a table a winner the casino only gets a cut.  If you walk off a looser you are simply a looser.  We say the casino has an edge or advantage because we (at least most of us) can’t find a system that wins more than it loses.  If we found a system that actually works than the casino only gets a cut.

Lol. I would be sure to be the friend hosting everytime then! Btw. Where did I say I have a system? I do not. I use physics to determine where the ball will enter the rotor. That is it. System players have rules like if these numbers do not show for x spins, then bet them for 3 pins with a specially designed progression (usually one nobody has ever seen! wink  )

You can argue all you want Richie. Casinos are not there to entertain you and take a small cut to keep there doors open. They are not in the business for your convenience. They are there to make as much money as they can. Guys like you who refuse to realize the house edge as just that, you are their dream players. Next thing you will tell me roulette is not a negative expectancy game. Do you think you can beat a 3000 coin flips? Now, see roulette as the same game but every flip you give back the house edge. Play it any sequence you like. Whether you play every alternative flip or whatever sequence you like. After 3000 flips you should be about 50/50. Now take away the house edge every flip. After the 3000 you will be down by that house edge. Deviding it back just shows you what you are loosing per spin. Bet more numbers, bet less numbers it does not matter because you still have the same odds. No system or blind play can change those facts. Richie if you understand that, then you will realize roulette is unbeatable if you cannot turn the house edge around. Simple as that. Short term luck no and again gets devoured by the edge in the longrun. Sorry man. That is the reality.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 03:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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If the edge is a cut or something which make the casino a winner is a delicated issue.  Math fundamentalist says you loose at the HE. Who does that, most make even worse, and a few got a profit. It is the variation not HE which break most player down.

HE is the casinos profit from all the players, not from a single one, it needs a high number of spins to come close to the egde, more than anybody use to do in life.

HE and EV is an EXPECTED number, not the REAL. Nobody got 18/37 part of the stake on black back after a stake, it is nothing or double.

You can win or loose every spin, which will not then exclude you win forever.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 03:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I have two problems with characterizing the house advantage/edge as the house merely taking a cut of the players’ winnings.

The first is that it implies the house gets nothing if the player loses.  Obviously that is not the case.  (This was the point of my previous post.)

The second is that it is only half the story.  By taking all of a player’s losing bet the house is failing to give the player his/her cut of its winnings.  Keeping this cut also contributes to the house advantage.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Just because I lost doesn’t mean the house has an advantage.  It simply means I picked the wrong number / numbers.  They won I lost.  The house gets everything if I lose and the house gets a small cut if I win.  I guess you can say if you play with a faulty system the house has an advantage.  If you find and play with a winning system the house only gets a simple cut. 

I also don’t agree that if I lose that the casino should give me a cut.  It is his house, his drinks and his help, his heat, light, & power.  The casino deserves a cut of winnings.  Keeping their cut doesn’t contribute to the house advantage it contributes to its gross.  I don’t feel I should get paid if I lose.  But if I won technically $1,000 and because of the house cut I only leave with $950 I don’t begrudge them their cut.

Let’s look at a professional roulette gambler.  He comes into the casino plays for a half hour and wins and leaves.  The pro had the advantage the casino had a cut.  It is only us losers that refer to the casino having an edge or advantage.

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Posted: 13 June 2012 01:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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RICHIECHIPS - 12 June 2012 04:37 PM

Just because I lost doesn’t mean the house has an advantage.  It simply means I picked the wrong number / numbers.  They won I lost.  The house gets everything if I lose and the house gets a small cut if I win.  I guess you can say if you play with a faulty system the house has an advantage.  If you find and play with a winning system the house only gets a simple cut. 

I also don’t agree that if I lose that the casino should give me a cut.  It is his house, his drinks and his help, his heat, light, & power.  The casino deserves a cut of winnings.  Keeping their cut doesn’t contribute to the house advantage it contributes to its gross.  I don’t feel I should get paid if I lose.  But if I won technically $1,000 and because of the house cut I only leave with $950 I don’t begrudge them their cut.

Let’s look at a professional roulette gambler.  He comes into the casino plays for a half hour and wins and leaves.  The pro had the advantage the casino had a cut.  It is only us losers that refer to the casino having an edge or advantage.

I am a professional roulette player and yes if I do win and leave on a consistant basis it is because I have turned the house edge around and I have the edge. Not the house.

Richie, you are one hard headed dude. Think carefully of what I have said in my previous posts. Hopefully one day the light will come on and you will eventually see. I have told you the facts and I have tried my best to explain them to you. I won’t be taking part in this thread anymore. It’s going in circles.

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Posted: 13 June 2012 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Thanks VB

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Posted: 09 October 2012 09:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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hello VB MEISTER,

it’s been a while ....

I always like your way of explaining ... you really give it a go to make your point, don’t you ?

Anyway… I think I understand what you’re talking about =

ALL YOUR SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON ”  PROGRESSIVE ” (one way or the other)
AND MINE ARE NOT (in the long run I might be a winner)

SO I THINK PERSONNALY THAT YOU’RE ON THE WRONG TRACK

    p.s.  think about “einstein”

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