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density of moisture and humidity - air pressure & tides - gravity & moon phase
Posted: 18 April 2012 05:03 PM   [ Ignore ]
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How does the air pressure effect the game ?

. Make the ball time inconsistent

. The ball is not striking the pins properly

. Change or make the degree of tilt to drift

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. Scatter becomes erratic

Witch elements do we speak of ?

. Rain

. Fog

. Hot & Cold Fronts

I read that fog and fronts affects the ball behavior witch affects chattering, strike, scatter.
Here is a chart with both warm and cold fronts witch would affect unpredictability.

http://i39.tinypic.com/210hu9u.png

This is outside behavior - does that mean i have to measuring both outside and inside pressure?
I also read that some use Air pressure and tide, even gravity using moon charts affect the game.

The question is how you chart this and collect current data to pin point out the optimal conditions contra erratic conditions.
The only solution i can think of is to note outside weather conditions and the current air pressure inside the casino during scouting for wheels and during play.
Then after time pass collect significant data and compare results witch would calibrate good and bad signs.

Here is a simple chart i find using air pressure and tide witch i like due its simplicity and clear figures ...

http://i39.tinypic.com/ehjj9t.png

(MB = millibar = units you measuring high/low pressure with)

As i understand it - so is density of moisture and humidity the key factors.
You more water present in the air will effect and give more erratic conditions towards the physics parameters we scout for.

Moon charts - Fact or fiction - i am not sure ...
Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the Moon and the Sun and the rotation of the Earth.

There exist charts on-line following the moon phase each day.

http://i39.tinypic.com/t9bkgp.png

I read the following should be a good sign with out going to much into details.
Witch not guaranteed - but show optimal conditions with ball behavior and scatter consistency.

Full moon:
Usually the good days during a full moon period are, from the day of the full moon(after it had turned) up to 4 days later.

New moon:
Usually the good days during a new moon are from 3-4 days up to the day of the new moon.

What is your opinion about the subject ...
The only reason

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Posted: 18 April 2012 05:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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VB Meister any hints or comments about the subject ...

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Posted: 19 April 2012 12:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I get different reaction towards my topic.
So is there two different schools that has different views on things - when it boils down towards if air pressure does effect the game ?

Regarding some opinion so would air pressure and tide being the same as woodo/fiction.

So why do i read about teams who mapping one particular casino taking/make - daily/hour - pressure charts ,,,
Experince bias players who claim that after 1K distance/yardage drift - with 5 mb difference ,,,
Among other things ...

Does just taking current inside pressure cut it ...
- The air pressures next to the moving parts should cut it ... right ? and skip outside weather and moon phase ...

I belive the moon cycles affect me more than the roulette ball grin

How does the air pressure effect the game ?

. Make the ball time inconsistent / deceleration

YES

. The ball is not striking the pins properly

NOT SURE

. Change or make the degree of tilt to drift

YES

. Ball jumps or scatter with high variance

YES

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Posted: 19 April 2012 03:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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AP2012 - 18 April 2012 05:07 PM

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VB Meister any hints or comments about the subject ...

Hi AP,

Great topic. Some people dismiss factors like altitude, barometric pressure etc. Although I believe the moon also has an effect look at spring tide during full moon. High and low pressure systems rotate ccw in the Southern Hemisphere and cw in the Nothern hemisphere. Look at water draining from your bath. Same thing. Does that have an effect on cw and ccw spins?

I chart barometric pressures when I track and when I play. Just by doing that, you could be close to 10% better with predictions instead of using static info.

Think of barometric pressure this way. It is about the resistance in the air. Same as with altitude. If you play at sea level, the air density is high. This causes the ball to travel less distance than at altitude. Watch a cricket game. Playing at altitude the ball travels quite a bit further than at sea level.

The above is true for deflector hits but also for scatter. Especially playing a low fret or scalloped wheel where the ball almost always scatters forward and the forward momentum determines the distance traveled.

Interesting about barometric pressure in casinos and outside casinos. Seldom I would think there is much difference. I only take barometric pressure on the day in the casino. Not outside.  It makes perfect sense though that the pressure shouls be equal inside and outside. When I get up in the morning and the air is heavey with moisture, I lick my lips. smile There is no doubt the heavier the air the better conditions.

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Posted: 19 April 2012 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Thanks you wrap it up very nice VB Meister so i quote you at my other topic at other forum - hope you are fine by that as we are public.
It feels great to read you view witch i share.

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What kind of watch do you use and what kind of value does it measuring - millibars or any other value.
Just curios as i would want to know more in detail how to make does notes when scouting for wheels or playing.

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At the moment i search for a good watch witch measuring air pressure and i find different alternatives.
Cheap or expensive - not sure if there is a difference - around 150 to 500 Euro ...

Cheers

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Posted: 19 April 2012 08:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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AP2012 - 19 April 2012 07:28 AM

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Thanks you wrap it up very nice VB Meister so i quote you at my other topic at other forum - hope you are fine by that as we are public.
It feels great to read you view witch i share.

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What kind of watch do you use and what kind of value does it measuring - millibars or any other value.
Just curios as i would want to know more in detail how to make does notes when scouting for wheels or playing.

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At the moment i search for a good watch witch measuring air pressure and i find different alternatives.
Cheap or expensive - not sure if there is a difference - around 150 to 500 Euro ...

Cheers

CASIO PRG-250T-7DR Pro Trek

Barometer
Display range: 260 to 1,100 hPa (7.65 to 32.45 inHg)
Display unit: 1 hPa (0.05 inHg)
Atmospheric pressure tendency graph
Atmospheric pressure differential graphic
*Changeover between hPa and inHg

It is a really nice watch. Only bought it very recently. Before that I used a hand held electronic barometer and altimeter.
I think you will be happy with it. You do not need more.

AP, you seem to know quite a bit about the art of visual ballistics. That is clear to see in the first post in this thread. You are a thorough customer.

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Posted: 19 April 2012 11:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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CASIO PRG-250T-7DR Pro Trek

Barometer
Display range: 260 to 1,100 hPa (7.65 to 32.45 inHg)
Display unit: 1 hPa (0.05 inHg)
Atmospheric pressure tendency graph
Atmospheric pressure differential graphic
*Changeover between hPa and inHg

It is a really nice watch. Only bought it very recently. Before that I used a hand held electronic barometer and altimeter.
I think you will be happy with it. You do not need more.

AP, you seem to know quite a bit about the art of visual ballistics. That is clear to see in the first post in this thread. You are a thorough customer.

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Thank for you kind words VB Meister ...

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http://www.javys.biz/casio/Limages/2009/PRG-200-1_L.jpg

I read it also show moon phase among other things ...
I will read the instruction and might buy my self the same watch grin

I will read about pro trek ...
http://www.creationwatches.com/products/casio-protrek-58/

Even got the instruction PDF
ftp://ftp.casio.co.jp/pub/world_manual/wat/en/qw3246.pdf

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Pst ...

Advantage-play - It’s not that it can’t be done, but rather people don’t really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis.
Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

Cheers

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Posted: 19 April 2012 12:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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AP2012 - 19 April 2012 11:50 AM

CASIO PRG-250T-7DR Pro Trek

Barometer
Display range: 260 to 1,100 hPa (7.65 to 32.45 inHg)
Display unit: 1 hPa (0.05 inHg)
Atmospheric pressure tendency graph
Atmospheric pressure differential graphic
*Changeover between hPa and inHg

It is a really nice watch. Only bought it very recently. Before that I used a hand held electronic barometer and altimeter.
I think you will be happy with it. You do not need more.

AP, you seem to know quite a bit about the art of visual ballistics. That is clear to see in the first post in this thread. You are a thorough customer.

I was hoping for you to pick up on a purpose placed flaw in one of my statements…. Maybe I’m expecting too much. You did say you are exploring barometric pressure and didn’t claim to know it. I’ll give you a hint. Something I said about moisture and density. Except for that casinos all have airconditioning that also regulate moisture content in the air. See if you can pick it up. I’ll explain what was wrong and why it’s wrong tomorrow wink

About 1/1000 that can make it, partly true. I believe people are just too damn lazy. If half of them put in the effort you do, casinos will have aproblem!

-keep up the tenacity, you will be one of the successful ones. Only hardwork and determination will get you there. I can tell you have both.

Thank for you kind words VB Meister ...

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http://www.javys.biz/casio/Limages/2009/PRG-200-1_L.jpg

I read it also show moon phase among other things ...
I will read the instruction and might buy my self the same watch grin

I will read about pro trek ...
http://www.creationwatches.com/products/casio-protrek-58/

Even got the instruction PDF
ftp://ftp.casio.co.jp/pub/world_manual/wat/en/qw3246.pdf

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Pst ...

Advantage-play - It’s not that it can’t be done, but rather people don’t really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis.
Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

Cheers

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Posted: 20 April 2012 03:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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This is my watch AP.

Regards
VB

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Posted: 21 April 2012 07:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Nice picture or your watch ... VB Meister ...

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I was hoping for you to pick up on a purpose placed flaw in one of my statements…. Maybe I’m expecting too much. You did say you are exploring barometric pressure and didn’t claim to know it. I’ll give you a hint. Something I said about moisture and density. Except for that casinos all have airconditioning that also regulate moisture content in the air. See if you can pick it up. I’ll explain what was wrong and why it’s wrong tomorrow

That would be very nice if you would write about the subject - as my head is spinning around at the moment - if not public you maybe can PM if you feel it to senstive for the public arena.

I know that 5 to 7 millibars change can occur during day/evning so there is for sure exist BP change, its real and valid…
Also read that as littel as 3 millibars can have significant impact/effect on the game.

I recon short hours tracking and playing does not effect the game so much regarding BP ...
But when we speak of 3 to 7 days tracking and playing BP for sure have a impact on the game.

I use Laurance RA where you can seperate data and use with BP charts to notice significant difference
- distance/yeardage drift
- decay drift
- tilt drift
- scatter variance ...

... that is what i aim for ...
Also have id one wheel - long term wheel - witch is the main reason i explore BP and its impact/effect on the game ...

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Posted: 21 April 2012 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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One question ...

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The moisture in the air - degree of water in the air - humidity ...

How do you measuring “relative humidity” what is the unit/sign ? is it just % ?
As for Air pressure its mb= millibars ...

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Would we state - There is no doubt the heavier the air the better conditions.

Straight Facts About Humidity

Humidity is the amount of moisture or water vapour in the air. You, your family, and your pets produce moisture when you breathe or perspire. Even your indoor plants produce moisture. We add water vapour to indoor air through routine household activities: cooking, showering, bathing, doing laundry, and dishwashing. More moisture can enter your home from the surrounding soil through a basement or crawl space.

Relative Humidity

Humidity is normally measured as relative humidity (RH). RH is a percentage that indicates the amount of moisture in the air relative to the maximum amount the air can hold at that temperature. For instance, when air at a given temperature contains all the water vapour it can hold at that temperature, it has a RH of 100 per cent. If the humidity exceeds 100 per cent, moisture will begin to condense from the air. If the air contains only half the water it can hold at that temperature, the RH is 50 per cent.

Warm air can hold more moisture than cool air, so that the RH of a sample of air will change as the temperature changes, even though the actual amount of moisture in the sample air does not. For example, as a sample of air cools the RH rises.

http://i41.tinypic.com/20tfh3m.png

Using Your Hygrometer

Your hygrometer will show the relative humidity (RH) in your house. Although the RH will not be exactly the same throughout your home, one hygrometer per house is usually sufficient. You should place it where the humidity symptoms are most obvious, in the room that you are most concerned about, or where your family spends the most time. Because hygrometers are small, they can be moved around in your house from time to time.

Don’t place your hygrometer near a radiator, a heat register or a chimney, or in any other location where it could be affected by direct heat.

Remember that a hygrometer does not produce instant results. It may take up to two hours to provide a stable reading in a new location or to adjust to sudden changes in relative humidity.
Would we state - There is no doubt the heavier the air the better conditions.

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Why not use both - Casio Trek watch and Hygrometer - sound pretty cool
I search for Casio Trek with Hydrometer - did not have time to read about if they have that function - but also find some other nice alternatives ...

http://i44.tinypic.com/n18gft.png

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Posted: 22 April 2012 04:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Hi AP. We are playing this weekend, so I’m on my mobile. I will post when I get back from our trip.

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Posted: 25 April 2012 01:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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VB Meister - 22 April 2012 04:41 AM

Hi AP. We are playing this weekend, so I’m on my mobile. I will post when I get back from our trip.

It has past some days when i could not connect to this site - due to server error.

Cheers

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Posted: 27 April 2012 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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AP2012 - 21 April 2012 08:25 AM

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One question ...

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The moisture in the air - degree of water in the air - humidity ...

How do you measuring “relative humidity” what is the unit/sign ? is it just % ?
As for Air pressure its mb= millibars ...

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Would we state - There is no doubt the heavier the air the better conditions.

Straight Facts About Humidity

Humidity is the amount of moisture or water vapour in the air. You, your family, and your pets produce moisture when you breathe or perspire. Even your indoor plants produce moisture. We add water vapour to indoor air through routine household activities: cooking, showering, bathing, doing laundry, and dishwashing. More moisture can enter your home from the surrounding soil through a basement or crawl space.

Relative Humidity

Humidity is normally measured as relative humidity (RH). RH is a percentage that indicates the amount of moisture in the air relative to the maximum amount the air can hold at that temperature. For instance, when air at a given temperature contains all the water vapour it can hold at that temperature, it has a RH of 100 per cent. If the humidity exceeds 100 per cent, moisture will begin to condense from the air. If the air contains only half the water it can hold at that temperature, the RH is 50 per cent.

Warm air can hold more moisture than cool air, so that the RH of a sample of air will change as the temperature changes, even though the actual amount of moisture in the sample air does not. For example, as a sample of air cools the RH rises.

http://i41.tinypic.com/20tfh3m.png

Using Your Hygrometer

Your hygrometer will show the relative humidity (RH) in your house. Although the RH will not be exactly the same throughout your home, one hygrometer per house is usually sufficient. You should place it where the humidity symptoms are most obvious, in the room that you are most concerned about, or where your family spends the most time. Because hygrometers are small, they can be moved around in your house from time to time.

Don’t place your hygrometer near a radiator, a heat register or a chimney, or in any other location where it could be affected by direct heat.

Remember that a hygrometer does not produce instant results. It may take up to two hours to provide a stable reading in a new location or to adjust to sudden changes in relative humidity.
Would we state - There is no doubt the heavier the air the better conditions.

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Why not use both - Casio Trek watch and Hygrometer - sound pretty cool
I search for Casio Trek with Hydrometer - did not have time to read about if they have that function - but also find some other nice alternatives ...

http://i44.tinypic.com/n18gft.png

I am at the moment looking for a watch with hygrometer - i will buy one.
I looking around for a watch for 150 to 200 Euro.
I belive density, moisture and humidity is important to chart as air pressure.

Before that I used a hand held electronic barometer and altimeter.

You mention altimeter - does that mean you measuring the sea level from the casino location or am i wrong - could you eloberate about the subject.
I am also at the moment looking for a Casio watch around 300 to 350 Euro - in total i want to spend 500 Euro.
That is why i woundering if there is Casio watch with same function as your watch with out being made by titatium and a littel cheaper.

Cheers

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Posted: 07 May 2012 04:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Hi AP,

Sorry for the long wait. I have been pretty busy lately. We played two wheels for 4 consequtive days with fair results.

relative humidity is measure % wise. Here is a catch though. Cold air cannot contain the same water vapour as warm air. So you could have 87% humidity in cold air and 87% humidity in warm air and although it’s the same, it’s not. It is relative to what the air can take at the time, whether it is warmer or colder if you catch what I’m trying to say.

It is true that most casinos have air conditioning and that humidity is also kept in check by that. How effective is this? Pretty much effective. Of the two wheels we played recently, the one was in a small casino with no airconditioning. Believe me. barometric pressure & humidity makes a difference. Those who say it makes no difference do not play often at casinos that I can tell you. Do your own data and you will see the effects.

Remember I told you there was a flaw put in one of my posts? Ok I will tell you. The more humidity is in the air, the further the ball travels, not the other way round. Most people thing that the more humidity in the air, the more resistance and therefore the ball will travel less. This is not true.  Water is ligher than the other constituents of the atmosphere, so high humidity would lead to “thinner” air like that at high altitudes. Larger size or increased density of balls in high humidity conditions found that humidity would actually increase the distance a ball travels, if only these factors were involved.

Here is a clip of interest:

AccuWeather.com has done extensive research into whether the weather is playing a role in the number of home runs at the new Yankee Stadium. We have determined that this weekend’s games with the Phillies will determine the outcome of this summer’s home run derby at Yankee Stadium because the forecast is for warm and a little more humid weather.

Our findings show that the weather conditions at Yankee Stadium oppose the number of home runs being hit at the stadium. Winds really have not been a factor, given that in most games, winds were not all that strong. In most games, winds were under 10 mph, and the direction of the wind was not consistent with the right field home run theory.
In respect to the temperature and humidity, and the laws of baseball flight, the number of home runs should be down. The laws of baseball flight say that a baseball will fly a longer distance in air that is warm and humid. Air that is warm and humid is considerably less dense than air that is cool and dry. The resistance on a baseball is greater in dense air than less-dense air. For example, a typical warm and humid New York evening would generally mean a better chance for home runs than, say, the cool evenings of April.

Our findings have shown that the majority of games where home runs were hit, the temperatures were between 54 and 69 degrees. The few games where the temperatures were in the 70s, the air was dry in those games. In all games, the air overall was dense compared to the warm, humid air that is yet to come.

We can only conclude from the weather data that the number of home runs should only go up this summer. AccuWeather.com is already predicting higher-than-normal humidity in the New York City area this summer, which means the home run derby should continue at Yankee Stadium.

The reason for the number of home runs at the new Yankee Stadium is still out for debate, but one thing is sure, the weather may not be the entire factor.

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Posted: 11 July 2013 05:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Thank you for your post. I was really looking for this type of watch. Please tell me its specifications. So, where can i find this watch? Will i get it on direct bargains?
Please reply soon coz i’m done searching over the internet so far.

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