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Players opinions wanted on buying VB systems
Posted: 02 May 2012 04:15 AM   [ Ignore ]
Downwiththechips
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I wanted to know, what are players opinions only of these sytems. Jafco Roulette and Masterroulette.com.
Has anyone actually used them in a Casino and been sucessful.Do they actually work and how hard are they to master ????
Has anyone found them to be a complete waste of time and money ????

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Posted: 02 May 2012 06:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I am going to be honest with you and tell you the truth.

Just to by one method will not make you a semi professional advantage player.
It is not like buying a roulette system and just walk into the casino and play - visual ballistics does not work that way.

I have MastersRoulette and Jafco’s VIBE and they give a insight about the game.
1) You learn how to scout for wheel finding good conditons.
2) You learn how to estimate the ball knee point/key rev.
3) You learn how to understand 123 pin game

I would recommend you invest money on both.
MastersRoulette method and Jafco’s complete package that is around 750 to 800 Euro.
Then you have to buy Laurance Scott Volume 2 witch goes for around 400 Euro (Witch come with simulation software and step by step instructions how to build and create a working playing model).

Then i would also recommend that you spend time at Foresters forum (myrulet com) to ask questions and read good topics.
You have to have time - free time to invest in the game and be obsessive and almost fanatic to succeed.

This is my opinion witch would be a good start for a rookie ...

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Posted: 05 May 2012 01:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
Downwiththechips
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AP2012 Thanks for replying to my post.Maybe the best thing to do for myself, would be to buy one VB system.Learn from this one and so on….......
I can’t see myself being able to afford to buy all of them in one go.You mentioned Jafco system and was wondering.What where your experiences with it and how effective you found this in the casino,hit rate etc ???????

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Downwiththechips

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Posted: 05 May 2012 02:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I don’t want to offend you - but i think it would be better if you save your money.
Because buy one visual ballistic method will not make you a visual ballistic player.
You have to study the different material and study the wheel - not just read about the subject and play like using a roulette system - it does not work that way.

Only thing i can say is that Jafco and MastersRoulette are valid.
But any one serious would buy Laurance Scott Volume 2 as the book explain step by step how to build working playing model with following simulation software - that will help you to succeed in the long run.

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Posted: 07 May 2012 02:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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AP2012 - 05 May 2012 02:35 AM

I don’t want to offend you - but i think it would be better if you save your money.
Because buy one visual ballistic method will not make you a visual ballistic player.
You have to study the different material and study the wheel - not just read about the subject and play like using a roulette system - it does not work that way.

Only thing i can say is that Jafco and MastersRoulette are valid.
But any one serious would buy Laurance Scott Volume 2 as the book explain step by step how to build working playing model with following simulation software - that will help you to succeed in the long run.

AP is mostly correct. One thing though. Master roulette and Jafco are very similar, so are most vb systems. Master roulette is valid BUT not their level wheel play. That I believe is BS. 1,2 and 3 pin explanations are pretty good. Their cards they use is an attempt to simplify things which it does. (ball type, wheel type, wheel speed taken into account)

MR also has a unique way of determining the same rev without actual counting, without using sound and without crossover patterns. I like their method.

AP, where I believe you are wrong is that you could use a good valid method and only use that simply because most are based on exactly the same basics. So if you have a solid system it should be good enough.

Maybe you meant that the work around a system is crucial. That is so. Basics like knowing the wheel by heart. Finding the correct wheels and conditions, scatter etc. That is where the real work is.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 04:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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VB Meister - 07 May 2012 02:03 AM
AP2012 - 05 May 2012 02:35 AM

I don’t want to offend you - but i think it would be better if you save your money.
Because buy one visual ballistic method will not make you a visual ballistic player.
You have to study the different material and study the wheel - not just read about the subject and play like using a roulette system - it does not work that way.

Only thing i can say is that Jafco and MastersRoulette are valid.
But any one serious would buy Laurance Scott Volume 2 as the book explain step by step how to build working playing model with following simulation software - that will help you to succeed in the long run.

AP is mostly correct. One thing though. Master roulette and Jafco are very similar, so are most vb systems. Master roulette is valid BUT not their level wheel play. That I believe is BS. 1,2 and 3 pin explanations are pretty good. Their cards they use is an attempt to simplify things which it does. (ball type, wheel type, wheel speed taken into account)

MR also has a unique way of determining the same rev without actual counting, without using sound and without crossover patterns. I like their method.

AP, where I believe you are wrong is that you could use a good valid method and only use that simply because most are based on exactly the same basics. So if you have a solid system it should be good enough.

Maybe you meant that the work around a system is crucial. That is so. Basics like knowing the wheel by heart. Finding the correct wheels and conditions, scatter etc. That is where the real work is.

VB Meister you seem to have a large amount of knowledge on the subject.Maybe the best option for myself, would be to visit my local casions.Then purchase a system and prepare for the learning curve.Just wondering if anyone else has any opinions or experiences of VB systems !!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 09 May 2012 12:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I can give you a way witch is more accurate and better then Masters Roulette ways to use deceleration - with out help of rotor.
I have experience but i am sure that i don’t have as many hours or years as VB Meister grin
Being into AP and in the same time being single parent is not easy.

This is what you do step by step.
Download a free thumper/metronome and put it into your mobile phone.
Set the mobile phone into flight mode before entering casino, as you don’t want to have any calls.
Turn on the thumper at 1.0 SEC or 60 BPM and put it into your pocket.
Now all you have to do is to lean your arm or hand to your pocket and you will feel a steady vibration.
Stand next to a wheel with good sight and follow the ball moving around and note the balls position each time you feel one vibration.
At one moment you will see the ball at the same spot on the ball track between two vibrations.
That is the knee point where the ball leave the faster then 1 SEC to slower then 1 SEC.
That is the basic and you can use 0.7 0.8 0.9 ...
Physics so does the ball divide natural at different spot each time as the ball divide due the ball track conditions and force of the ball witch is different each time.

This is step by step with out using any device.
When you use the method i mention above you can also add deceleration and headcount.
Headcount is sensitive stuff so you have to develop a steady rhythmic loop.
I use 123123123123 where 1 is a hard number and followed by 2 and 3 witch is more soft.
So the loop goes in head like Up smooth Up smooth Up smooth Up smooth as you can see it does the same thing as thumper with vibration.
Now when ball is at the same point or where it divide you wait and observe one more time and will see how the ball will leave the main spot witch is the deceleration you see ball being slower - i do this at 0.8 using hear count.

Have fun grin

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Posted: 10 May 2012 11:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Good post. Thanks AP2012.

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Posted: 12 May 2012 03:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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AP2012 - 09 May 2012 12:03 PM

I can give you a way witch is more accurate and better then Masters Roulette ways to use deceleration - with out help of rotor.
I have experience but i am sure that i don’t have as many hours or years as VB Meister grin
Being into AP and in the same time being single parent is not easy.

This is what you do step by step.
Download a free thumper/metronome and put it into your mobile phone.
Set the mobile phone into flight mode before entering casino, as you don’t want to have any calls.
Turn on the thumper at 1.0 SEC or 60 BPM and put it into your pocket.
Now all you have to do is to lean your arm or hand to your pocket and you will feel a steady vibration.
Stand next to a wheel with good sight and follow the ball moving around and note the balls position each time you feel one vibration.
At one moment you will see the ball at the same spot on the ball track between two vibrations.
That is the knee point where the ball leave the faster then 1 SEC to slower then 1 SEC.
That is the basic and you can use 0.7 0.8 0.9 ...
Physics so does the ball divide natural at different spot each time as the ball divide due the ball track conditions and force of the ball witch is different each time.

This is step by step with out using any device.
When you use the method i mention above you can also add deceleration and headcount.
Headcount is sensitive stuff so you have to develop a steady rhythmic loop.
I use 123123123123 where 1 is a hard number and followed by 2 and 3 witch is more soft.
So the loop goes in head like Up smooth Up smooth Up smooth Up smooth as you can see it does the same thing as thumper with vibration.
Now when ball is at the same point or where it divide you wait and observe one more time and will see how the ball will leave the main spot witch is the deceleration you see ball being slower - i do this at 0.8 using hear count.

Have fun grin

That is one of the methods I have teached people, except, personally I use headcount. One mistake, not a critical one, is where you say when the ball is in the same place consequtive vibrations, that that is the knee point. It’s not. Knee point is a specific rev where the ball decelerates much more in that rev than in the previous revs. It will be different on most wheels. Off course we do not need to wait for the knee point but just have to be in the same rev every spin. Some knee points can be visually seen whereas others are harder to see. If you can physically see it and there is enough time to calc and place bets you could use it without headcount or metronome just be looking. Of course there is also audio, listening to the ball as it rotates. sjoe sjoe sjoe ..sjoe ....sjoe ......... if you get my drift.

On todays wheels it’s difficult to see the actuall knee point because of smaller deceleration differences. Master roulette compensates for this with the tapping of a finger. The balls makes so many revs today that by the time the knee point is reached, (even if you could see it) nmb would of been called way before. That is why I like also using 1 sec rev like you do with the metronome.

Nice post though AP. I see that you do know your stuff.

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Posted: 21 September 2012 03:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I got masters roulette, and I must say the level of English writing is dreadful. At times I wanted to throw the manual in the trashcan!
Shame on them. I mean if you write a book in English, even if it’s not your first language, pay an editor a few dollars, to make the text readable!
Jafco is a lot more understandable, I would go with him. The Lawrance books are great but not easy to put into practice. It takes a lot of dedication

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Posted: 23 September 2012 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I see that you complain all over internet at all forum boards.
If you have Laurance, Jafco, Masters - then i suggest you start to read them all over again.
Who cares if the languish is bad - Masters make some valid points explaining things.
If you don’t understand basics about physics then you might continue using roulette systems.

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Posted: 23 September 2012 04:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Yes I have them and I use them!
I care that the level of writing is terrible! And others might also care, so in a public forum such information should be shared. It’s called a “review”. It helps so that those who produce products keep the standard high.
Yes like you, I like to read and post on many forums. Nothing wrong with that either.

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Posted: 23 September 2012 09:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Great infomation from vb master n ap.
Thanks for sharing.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 11:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Guys,

One one hand I agree that (from a pure theorethical point of view)  that VB is the better way to gamble as a good prediction of what will happen is always better than playing based on history as history has no influence whatsoever on the future (in roulette that is).

but on the other hand I start to have doubts about playing AP with VB
Recently I am receiving ads email (spam type) from genuine winner (using computers for VB) trying to convince me to buy thier systems as the price has been lowered from 2500 first payment to only 1500 first payment.

Why ??????? are they so keen to sell their system as all they need to do is use their own system to be rich in a short time?????

And in fact I start also to wonder about some of the guys on this forum advocatring the use of Visual Ballistics and advantage play.  If you guys are so good with this method WHY ON EARTH are you all wasting your time on a forum about roulette??? Why are you guys not making millions of dollars and partying in the Bahamas rather than spending your time on a forum with roulette players.  Is your method not so good as you all say it is????

In any case I do not understand your motivation to be here when you can be out making lots of money….


Cheers
CO

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