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Yes. The technique you describe is known as Visual Ballistics. There isn’t much information about it over the internet but if you look hard enough you will find something useful.
And also on a similar note, a roulette computer does the same thing but is not legal everywhere (and frowned upon in every casino in the world).
visual ballistics is just visually determine where the ball is most likely to land on the wheel. Is based on makes mental calculations which involve comparing the wheel rotation speed versus the velocity of the launch versus a reference point.
I personally think there’s no real trick for me is just one of the ways to do your bet..
Anyone interested in this topic must read The Eudaemonic Pie written by Thomas bass in 1985 about a group of MIT students who made miniaturized computers that could predict the outcome of a roulette spin. Know one knows for sure but it is said that they earned about $10,000 before they gave up, one of the group was burned by the wires. The technology is available to anyone who wishes to buy it today. But using such devices will quickly get you tossed from the casino and probably charged.
I have practiced visual ballistics for about a year with some success. My approach is to guess which half of the wheel the ball will land on and to bet a few numbers on that side. Over the last 5 years most of the casinos in my area have started to alternate directions with each spin. It doesn’t take long to detect which direction is more predictable for each dealer. I find that about 1 in 4 spins is worth betting on. I have estimated that I’m about 55% - 60% accurate. I don’t try to cover all the numbers on the chosen side, usually I bet the numbers in the first dozen - either odd or even because they are on opposite sides of american wheels. I stand next to the wheel so that I can watch, usually I bet 1 -18 while waiting for the right spin.
As far as I can tell this is the only practical description of applied visual ballistics. Everyone seems to think that its about guessing the actual number and then betting a few numbers in that area. Some people might be able to do it but this mental gymnastics is too much for me. I’ve memorized the layout of the wheel and could easily wager on neighboring numbers but it would only be possible if you were alone at the wheel. In truth you want other people there so that attention is drawn away from you.
Please feel free to customize this technique. With a little practice I’m sure that the average person could do better than me.
Well, I firmly believe that no visual ballistic or even roulette computer can determine as to where the ball should approximately land. The speed of ball is not that slow. Every time ball is thrown with a hand and not a machine hence variation is obvious in every spin. How can a person determine the next output by seeing the earlier? ball may land on different number just by a fraction of second. Completely mindless and useless.
visual ballistics is just visually determine where the ball is most likely to land on the wheel. Is based on makes mental calculations which involve comparing the wheel rotation speed versus the velocity of the launch versus a reference point.
I personally think there’s no real trick for me is just one of the ways to do your bet..
Personally I would not ever consider using a Roulette computer. I really do not need to anyway. But think of this. Why risk getting banned for life and in some cases ending up in jail because of using such an apparatus in a casino. It really just do not make any sense at all. You might get away with it for 99 times but you only have to be caught once.
VB is alive and well. Years ago I also tried to develop systems to beat the game of roulette. All nonsence. Only ways to beat roulette is with Bias play or VB. That is the cold but hard truth. The sooner you people see this and realize this, the sooner you will stop throwing your money away.
Proper VB players only play 3-8 numbers per spin. I play 3-5 numbers mostly. To the gent that predicts which half of the wheel he should bet with his crude method of VB, well done. If you have a 5% advantage over the casino then that is swell. However crude your methods might be you are on the right track at least. You are thinking in the right directions.
What Mark told you about learning VB in an afternoon surprised me somewhat. Maybe the literature could be explained in an afternoon. I cannot see how you going to walk out at the end of the day and be a professional VB player after an afternoon session. If you can do that Mark I’m impressed.
Ask yourself the following questions. How well do you know the roulette wheel? Do you no each number and it’s neighbors? So that alone would take most people a bit more than an afternoon to learn.
To the gent who said VB di of no use because the ball is spun at different speeds etc. Well that is why VB works and systems don’t. The speed the ball is spun is really of no significance at all when playing VB. Ever heard of 2 x crossover patterns? Although that is really old style of playing, the 2 x crossover pattern basically will tell you exactly when the ball is twice as fast as the wheel. See an advantage oppertunity yet? Well today most VB players use different techniques than the crossover patterns. Most of these techniques are really very similar once you carve away the skin. Obviously you realize that my methods of play unfortunatel are not for sharing for obvious reasons. If you are interested though read up on Laurence Scott or Jafco. I like Jafco’s stuff because it is very basic and straight to the point. I use similar methods but slightly advanced.
It might be able to be shown in a day. I apologise I misunderstood. I’m sure it could be “shown” in a day. Just not learnt and applied in a day. Then again maybe you use some or other dreamt up BS VB method.
Hi
I’m new to his forum and several others! I came across VB about 3 weeks ago and decided to have a closer look at it. I play on Smartlive Casino on the automated roulette wheel, for fun only while I try my luck. Anyway, it does appear to work to some extent, and I’ll try and explain why simply;
Obviously due to streaming problems you cannot see the wheel and ball in true speed, however what I gained from reading VB posts was you needed to apply the following basic steps;
Use the first spin to find the observation point for the second spin, by establishing the number under a reference point of the wheel after 4 revolutions of the ball,say 32, the number the ball drops into the wheel,say 2, and the number it rests in, say 18. Ok so far! You establish the observation point for the next spin by referencing the position of 32 to 18, I like it to a 12 hour clock, so in this example you set 32 to the reference point you used, I use the top of the wheel as viewed on the screen, ie 12 o’clock. So number 32 at 12 o’clock gives me number 18 at 9 o’clock.
On the second spin when the ball passes your reference point after 4 revolutions, look immediately at 9 o’clock and that is the predicted number, sounds complicated, but with practice you can easily identify your predicted number. However I found the following problems;
wheel spin differences, ball speed differences, you rely on 2 spins to get one bet on, dealer changes and the fact that you cant bet online after the wheel has spun, even in a real casino you have to work all that out and then try and get a coverage of bets on before the table closes.
I tried over a period of time on the live dealer wheel and gave up, got a headache, bored and realised it was unusable.
HOWEVER!
On the automated wheel, I adapted the VB system slightly. I basically established the observation point and predicted number on each spin, instead of 2 spins.
Use the last winning number, say 32 again, and turn it to 12 o’clock, see where the next winning number is, again 18, its obviously at 9 o’clock still. Use the next spin to see what number wins, lets say 11,situated at 4 o’clock, this represents a difference of 23 spaces on the wheel. Turn the number 11 to 12 o’clock and then see what number is at 4 o’clock now, it’s 14, count on 23 numbers from here and you get number 6, this is your predicted number.
I bet 15 to 20 numbers with 6 in the middle, sorry it sounds complicate but with practice on each spin you can work it all out and get your bets on.
I do realise that automated wheels have different spin speeds, you need to ensure you regularly check the difference in the numbers, because they will vary,I check them on each spin, but what I have found is that if it goes really random for a few spins, dont bet, after it settles down you can eaily get some bets in that are covered by your bet spread.
No you dont win everytime, but I have over the last week, never dipped below £900 of my free play money, and today for 3 hours I was up £396. I have had several direct hits and I am usually within 7 numbers either side of the predicted number, hence I bet more numbers to make sure. I put £1 on and get a return depending on my stake of about £15 to £20
So basically I’m visually predicting the number before the spin, allowing me to put the bet on.
Sorry it’s a bit long winded, try it, see what you think, when I study it more I’ll pluck up the courage to try for real!
Best of luck. Tiddy
VB does not work like you think Mister, it can be shown in a day, and not everyone gets it, you either get it or you don’t, you see the patterns or you don’t, its just most people do not look for the progressive patterns whilst playing and are not privledged to owning their own wheel to try out VB skills. Its takes a day to sort of see the patterns, then you can improve, but once you get it in a day, you can improve no end!
Imagine the first time you play darts and can only hit the dart board, but soon you are getting those 20’s. well VB ias sort of like that, you just have to be shown the dart board so to speak to understand what to look for. I have had people master it in one hour, so it can be done, but this has to be in personal tutition.
I have to laugh about people under the illusion that having a roulette computer will get you barred for life or that they don’t work, like you are going to pull it right out on the table and hit the same casino and table over and over again without changing casinos, or the person placing the bets who also recieves the signal. You would have to be a serious muppet to have a device and be to llazy to change your bettor or casino you are hitting. Its legal in most places also, its only illegal in 7 states in the US, Austria and Macau(cannot be used there. http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/19/wired-shoe-helps-gambler-cheat-at-roulette/
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article399673.ece
Of course roulette computers work, you just need the nerves to use them!
You have to be covert and invisible to what you are doing, all our equipment operates stealth like, the hearing aids are hidden deep in the ear canal, the numbers are spoken to you from the computer, no one knows what you are doing. http://coverthearing.com
People do make money with roulette computers , big money and they move around a lot if they are smart. No matter what system you have, if your starts working, and you keep hitting the same venue, then you will be banned, so who not have a device that guarantees success time after time!
Anyone making money like I do from casinos will get attention, you have to change players and change casinos, thats the rules of advantage play.
Anyone think it can’t be done using devices has to be an ignorant fool, of course it can, and easily too, you just need the nerves.
Casinos will ask you to leave if they find out your winning on a consistant basis no matter what method you are using, you just make sure they don’t find out, act surprised when you win!
I even sell roulette computers with hearing aids for only £300 pounds now, and guarantee they work!
As you have heard there is no way to mathmaticly beat Roulette.
Let me explain something to you. Who cares about mathmatics. The one thing that differentiates a winner from a looser is
when you leave the table. Think, it is rare that you sit down and play and there is not a period of time that
you are not up even a little bit. So, what does that tell you. Winners leave when they are up. Discipline,
Discipline, Discipline. That makes you a winner. I have been playing for 35 years and I know from experience.
Your common sence right now is telling you that I’m right. I worked in casinos starting at age 18 and have heard it all.
Without Discipline you are destined to loose. What those disciplines are is the real secret of Roulette. With interest I will elaborate
on this thread. The ability to train yourself these Disaplines determines your success.
Hello KLUGMO, I find very interesting what you say about discipline and I must agree with you 1000%. But I would like to have your opinion on the following:
I just read recently a very interesting pdf talking and actually explaining how it could be possible of beating the game of roulette with the use of standard deviation. Now I now many of you must be like: Here is another one that cannot accept the fact that the house always WINS!! I’m not saying that it can be done, all I want to do is discuss this with some intellectuals to see what they think. At first I was very skeptical, then I read it and thought a lot about it and then I got more and more interested so please bear with me.
Ok so the first thing that got me hooked was this simple fact:
Let’s pretend that I toss 12 times a fair coin and all the outcomes happened to be heads. Then I call my friend that did not witness the previous 12 results and ask him what should come next. Obviously he should tell me that both outcomes have the same probability of falling. However, this is where it gets interesting, I know that if I was to conduct many and many routines of 13 coinflips there would be a 99.7% chance of hitting both outcomes at least once. How did I get this %? By using standard deviation.
Standard deviation is a very useful tool. It shows how much variation there is from the average. For example in this example the ‘‘average/mean’’ or the ‘‘expected outcome’‘, if you prefer, would be 12 divided by 2 = 6.
The standard deviation (the third one) equals to 5.19615
This means that 99.7% of the time a tails and heads should fall at least 0.80 (6-5.19615) time every 12 coinflips.
Now can somebody tell me how could this help me in the game of roulette?
I’ve determined an example for roulette about hitting dozens:
If I was to conduct many groups of 12 spins I would notice (supposing the wheel is fair) that 68% of the time every dozen should fall between 2 and 6 times. Additionally 95% of the time every dozen should fall between 1 and 7 times and finally 99.7% of the time every dozen should fall between 0 and 9 times.
How could this information possibly help me? Some might suggest betting from the beginning since we know that 95% of the time we win, others would say to wait for an event (waiting for a missing dozen for 11 spins and then flat bet until winning). I don’t think either of these solutions would work. For starters there are no possible betting combination that would make it possible to be positive in the long run even with a 95% chance. Waiting is not the answer..I think. I have the impression that knowing the standard deviation could sincerely help the game but I also have some thoughts telling me it is impossible.
Tell me what you think geniuses!
Any comments would be appreciated!
PS: Feel free to check out the pdf or to look out for the name of the website. It is called John Solitude.
Thanks in advance
Rafael
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