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Posted: 26 November 2014 03:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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sergiy - 25 November 2014 05:03 PM
roulettPro1 - 25 November 2014 11:44 AM
pauli1976 - 25 November 2014 06:25 AM

roulette Pro1 maybe someone simple person might came down from the other side of the globe to learn your mighty roulette system which you can not lose ever
if you pay for his airfare and hotel accommodation


Thanks Pauli, only for sergiv…otherwise the air plane will be full load and I be banned fr Casinos when they(casino) lose?!

Anyhow I am still at beginning stage, if U continue be friend and around when I succeed with a team, U will be welcome either I visit U or vice versa…

l really appreciate your invitation,  but unfortunately,  lm not that free to travel at the moument. If some reasonable enough member would like to come and visit you on the same conditions as you propose for me, wouldn’t it be the same for you? I myself would belive in opinion of Pauli or Scepticus or Chingy for exemple. ..[/quote…


OK Mr Sergiy :  I am not interested in too much exposure or advertisement, I dun hv youtube showing roulette BUT only my animal and farming hobby uploaded in my Youtube account, same I used to tried part time on9 advertisement, forex and football betting click to read Cathcha… etc for curiosity (2000 time), I also hv better formula on arbitrage and Forex, BUT still dun go on9 to start… I hv eGold and Paypal momey booker and recently Netpay account , now even my eGold account asked me to claim back my gold as its petty and troublesome I just did not do anything.

What I can tell here is, I am practical and had succeed So only go physical and no more argue in theory and egoistic on who is better and most important I cannot let my invention became open and copied by others, perhaps in Gambling , I also cannot claim copyright or register any “trade mark”...copyright in Muslim Malaysia? Then there will be many “tomuens “” copied my formula and start elsewhere?

Whoever Tom Dick and Harry want to come as sincere and genuine…I welcome…I am not gonna play Poker if everyone were to “provoke me” and come for FREE trips…Perhaps I also dun wanna people simply accuse me and then when proven wrong and Public apologise and quit etc…

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Posted: 28 November 2014 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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roulettPro1 - 26 November 2014 03:29 AM
sergiy - 25 November 2014 05:03 PM
roulettPro1 - 25 November 2014 11:44 AM
pauli1976 - 25 November 2014 06:25 AM

roulette Pro1 maybe someone simple person might came down from the other side of the globe to learn your mighty roulette system which you can not lose ever
if you pay for his airfare and hotel accommodation


Thanks Pauli, only for sergiv…otherwise the air plane will be full load and I be banned fr Casinos when they(casino) lose?!

Anyhow I am still at beginning stage, if U continue be friend and around when I succeed with a team, U will be welcome either I visit U or vice versa…

l really appreciate your invitation,  but unfortunately,  lm not that free to travel at the moument. If some reasonable enough member would like to come and visit you on the same conditions as you propose for me, wouldn’t it be the same for you? I myself would belive in opinion of Pauli or Scepticus or Chingy for exemple. ..[/quote…


OK Mr Sergiy :  I am not interested in too much exposure or advertisement, I dun hv youtube showing roulette BUT only my animal and farming hobby uploaded in my Youtube account, same I used to tried part time on9 advertisement, forex and football betting click to read Cathcha… etc for curiosity (2000 time), I also hv better formula on arbitrage and Forex, BUT still dun go on9 to start… I hv eGold and Paypal momey booker and recently Netpay account , now even my eGold account asked me to claim back my gold as its petty and troublesome I just did not do anything.

What I can tell here is, I am practical and had succeed So only go physical and no more argue in theory and egoistic on who is better and most important I cannot let my invention became open and copied by others, perhaps in Gambling , I also cannot claim copyright or register any “trade mark”...copyright in Muslim Malaysia? Then there will be many “tomuens “” copied my formula and start elsewhere?

Whoever Tom Dick and Harry want to come as sincere and genuine…I welcome…I am not gonna play Poker if everyone were to “provoke me” and come for FREE trips…Perhaps I also dun wanna people simply accuse me and then when proven wrong and Public apologise and quit etc…

How the f,, ck do you play forex and stuff, if you do not have understanding of basic math and probability??? When you will stop lying? Will you? Stop garbage our nice and adorable forum with your stupid lying miserable pretending posts!!!

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Posted: 28 November 2014 10:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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sergiy - 28 November 2014 06:13 PM
roulettPro1 - 26 November 2014 03:29 AM
sergiy - 25 November 2014 05:03 PM
roulettPro1 - 25 November 2014 11:44 AM
pauli1976 - 25 November 2014 06:25 AM

roulette Pro1 maybe someone simple person might came down from the other side of the globe to learn your mighty roulette system which you can not lose ever
if you pay for his airfare and hotel accommodation


Thanks Pauli, only for sergiv…otherwise the air plane will be full load and I be banned fr Casinos when they(casino) lose?!

Anyhow I am still at beginning stage, if U continue be friend and around when I succeed with a team, U will be welcome either I visit U or vice versa…

l really appreciate your invitation,  but unfortunately,  lm not that free to travel at the moument. If some reasonable enough member would like to come and visit you on the same conditions as you propose for me, wouldn’t it be the same for you? I myself would belive in opinion of Pauli or Scepticus or Chingy for exemple. ..[/quote…


OK Mr Sergiy :  I am not interested in too much exposure or advertisement, I dun hv youtube showing roulette BUT only my animal and farming hobby uploaded in my Youtube account, same I used to tried part time on9 advertisement, forex and football betting click to read Cathcha… etc for curiosity (2000 time), I also hv better formula on arbitrage and Forex, BUT still dun go on9 to start… I hv eGold and Paypal momey booker and recently Netpay account , now even my eGold account asked me to claim back my gold as its petty and troublesome I just did not do anything.

What I can tell here is, I am practical and had succeed So only go physical and no more argue in theory and egoistic on who is better and most important I cannot let my invention became open and copied by others, perhaps in Gambling , I also cannot claim copyright or register any “trade mark”...copyright in Muslim Malaysia? Then there will be many “tomuens “” copied my formula and start elsewhere?

Whoever Tom Dick and Harry want to come as sincere and genuine…I welcome…I am not gonna play Poker if everyone were to “provoke me” and come for FREE trips…Perhaps I also dun wanna people simply accuse me and then when proven wrong and Public apologise and quit etc…

How the f,, ck do you play forex and stuff, if you do not have understanding of basic math and probability??? When you will stop lying? Will you? Stop garbage our nice and adorable forum with your stupid lying miserable pretending posts!!!

Mr Sergiy : what happened again?!

“if you do not have understanding of basic math and probability??? ”  Do U know that recently found that Chinese and Chinese Base countries topped the Maths Olympiad? My Nephew is one of them…Malaysia is developing, so I miss to join the Maths olympiad BUT I was one of the top…just a few vulgar word cannot rob me my maths intelligent…IFYOU NOT HV BASIC MATHS, U CAN NEVER PASS EC UK EXAM.. AND QUALIFIED AS EC ENGINEER… where hv U been told/observed that I dun understand basic maths? and probability? if U say my English is not “Flare” then I admit I am not linguistic.. and English is my 3rd language…internet has made many impossible became possible, the arbitrade is one, forex is another and gambling another goldmine if U really hv that CUT/EDGE…

So who is putting up baseless allegation and equivalent to a lie?! using garbage/vulgar wording will not turn your lie became true?

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Posted: 30 November 2014 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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About your understanding of math. There are 37 numbers on the roulette wheel. Payment for hitt is 1:35. One number in payments casino reserve to themselfs no matter what. Its called HE. As long as you do not address this problem, any proggression you use just compounds HE. You state you buy ” both sides” ... whatever you mean by that statment, l understand it as you bett on both ( or 3 ) of equal chances.  It is just makes you bett more numbers at the same time, exposing your bankroll to the higher degree to the HE. Even if you bett on lines or doble lines, rendom groops of numbers or any combination of posible betts.. it doesn’t change anything.  You can not beat casino in their game, its imposible using math methods. Becouse casinos HE is garanted by the same math.
Explanation typed above makes your statments fallacious, and you an ordinary gambler, definitely not pro.
Your statments of bigg winns simply are egeinst common logic, wich makes you a liar. Your nephew winn in any malasian math doesn’t make you smarter either. Your need for somebody else money makes you scammer, as you contribute nothing of value back to the person who supposed to bring you money. Posting your stupidity all over the forum makes you troll.
So lets resume.. YOU ARE STUPID LYING SCAMMER from malasia, SUBMERSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FALLACY AND EGOMANIA… Basicly nesty human DEGENERATED GARBAGE. Yes this is who you are, according to the common logick , your own statments and atitudes. If you have any problems with any words used here, consult wikipedia about their true meaning, use google translate if you need. If after that you will have any doubts about you beeng STUPID LYING SCAMBAG EGOMANIAC DEGENERATE, Ill take my time to explane it to you egein. . And egein…and egein… as l did during all the time of your permanence at our forum.

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Posted: 30 November 2014 09:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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sergiy - 30 November 2014 07:52 PM

About your understanding of math. There are 37 numbers on the roulette wheel. Payment for hitt is 1:35. One number in payments casino reserve to themselfs no matter what. Its called HE. As long as you do not address this problem, any proggression you use just compounds HE. You state you buy ” both sides” ... whatever you mean by that statment, l understand it as you bett on both ( or 3 ) of equal chances.  It is just makes you bett more numbers at the same time, exposing your bankroll to the higher degree to the HE. Even if you bett on lines or doble lines, rendom groops of numbers or any combination of posible betts.. it doesn’t change anything.  You can not beat casino in their game, its imposible using math methods. Becouse casinos HE is garanted by the same math.
Explanation typed above makes your statments fallacious, and you an ordinary gambler, definitely not pro.
Your statments of bigg winns simply are egeinst common logic, wich makes you a liar. Your nephew winn in any malasian math doesn’t make you smarter either. Your need for somebody else money makes you scammer, as you contribute nothing of value back to the person who supposed to bring you money. Posting your stupidity all over the forum makes you troll.
So lets resume.. YOU ARE STUPID LYING SCAMMER from malasia, SUBMERSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FALLACY AND EGOMANIA… Basicly nesty human DEGENERATED GARBAGE. Yes this is who you are, according to the common logick , your own statments and atitudes. If you have any problems with any words used here, consult wikipedia about their true meaning, use google translate if you need. If after that you will have any doubts about you beeng STUPID LYING SCAMBAG EGOMANIAC DEGENERATE, Ill take my time to explane it to you egein. . And egein…and egein… as l did during all the time of your permanence at our forum.


Mr Sergiy: when U kept the vulgar word and derogatory remarks for Ur own, U R pretty cute.and lovely !

Its also entertaining when U explain Ur BASIC in HE and probability ( for primary school maths?)

It is true, no matter how U play, every spin is INDEPENDENT AND THE HE IS CONSTANT.. U cannot eliminate this.

I also “Shy away” from playing roulette for this reason. Until I accidentally introduced a “double up method” by my Good friend… so I turn google into “roulette strategy” and bump into some1 advertising the same like “Tomuen”, he shows the Column bet using progression that shows “can earn $100 per day”...I also skeptic but I check his formula/progression and conditions, I found the catch…

So I modified the condition and change the Progression and simulate from 50K free history to get the result… I found that it works.

I finally brought estimated 2K limit to test,,, that first virgin play, I won 11K from 7pm to 6am nonstop 11 hours play.

then I keep improve my formula through experience…..

I now prove that , and saw that Martingale System is one method to win, there is another D’ Alambert and Joseph Braggs on other methods.

I can only tell Martingale System became my BASIC…and it turned to a series of progression (formula) and I added a system by my name Ali’s Cycle… this A C is the secret weapon where I can then win average streams of winning per time/hour/spin….and I target 20-25 per spin so that it closed to 1K per hour if there’s 5o spins and the Capital Power need to fight “storm”/streak of bad luck is around 99.999% from Binomial calculation/application…

All these are independent of HE U mentioned…MS itself also cannot erase the HE BUT it overcome the HE by doubling the stake/ante/wager.

When “I buy both side”, is the example, (U still keep digging the bull horn and refused to understand..) that when U play MS with 1,2,4,8 double in even money bet ( I dun encourage playing outside bet anymore as my formula improved and better) .U can BUY BOTH SIDE and turn the formula/progression into 1,3,7,15,31 which is 2^n-1 from original 2^n the -1 is the 1 unit buying OPPOSITE bet…

From the way U cannot accept this, its because U are the same as my “past”,,, keep digging the Bullhorn tip…Hardcore in thinking that HE cannot be changed unless U can “predict”...or take advantage of flaws (Joseph Bragg?) to overcome your HE….

That , I leave it to U to continue Ur research…Until U found a formula for that and strike Billions….

Thanks You.

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Posted: 01 December 2014 12:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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roulettPro1 - 30 November 2014 09:49 PM
sergiy - 30 November 2014 07:52 PM

About your understanding of math. There are 37 numbers on the roulette wheel. Payment for hitt is 1:35. One number in payments casino reserve to themselfs no matter what. Its called HE. As long as you do not address this problem, any proggression you use just compounds HE. You state you buy ” both sides” ... whatever you mean by that statment, l understand it as you bett on both ( or 3 ) of equal chances.  It is just makes you bett more numbers at the same time, exposing your bankroll to the higher degree to the HE. Even if you bett on lines or doble lines, rendom groops of numbers or any combination of posible betts.. it doesn’t change anything.  You can not beat casino in their game, its imposible using math methods. Becouse casinos HE is garanted by the same math.
Explanation typed above makes your statments fallacious, and you an ordinary gambler, definitely not pro.
Your statments of bigg winns simply are egeinst common logic, wich makes you a liar. Your nephew winn in any malasian math doesn’t make you smarter either. Your need for somebody else money makes you scammer, as you contribute nothing of value back to the person who supposed to bring you money. Posting your stupidity all over the forum makes you troll.
So lets resume.. YOU ARE STUPID LYING SCAMMER from malasia, SUBMERSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FALLACY AND EGOMANIA… Basicly nesty human DEGENERATED GARBAGE. Yes this is who you are, according to the common logick , your own statments and atitudes. If you have any problems with any words used here, consult wikipedia about their true meaning, use google translate if you need. If after that you will have any doubts about you beeng STUPID LYING SCAMBAG EGOMANIAC DEGENERATE, Ill take my time to explane it to you egein. . And egein…and egein… as l did during all the time of your permanence at our forum.


Mr Sergiy: when U kept the vulgar word and derogatory remarks for Ur own, U R pretty cute.and lovely !

Its also entertaining when U explain Ur BASIC in HE and probability ( for primary school maths?)

It is true, no matter how U play, every spin is INDEPENDENT AND THE HE IS CONSTANT.. U cannot eliminate this.

I also “Shy away” from playing roulette for this reason. Until I accidentally introduced a “double up method” by my Good friend… so I turn google into “roulette strategy” and bump into some1 advertising the same like “Tomuen”, he shows the Column bet using progression that shows “can earn $100 per day”...I also skeptic but I check his formula/progression and conditions, I found the catch…

So I modified the condition and change the Progression and simulate from 50K free history to get the result… I found that it works.

I finally brought estimated 2K limit to test,,, that first virgin play, I won 11K from 7pm to 6am nonstop 11 hours play.

then I keep improve my formula through experience…..

I now prove that , and saw that Martingale System is one method to win, there is another D’ Alambert and Joseph Braggs on other methods.

I can only tell Martingale System became my BASIC…and it turned to a series of progression (formula) and I added a system by my name Ali’s Cycle… this A C is the secret weapon where I can then win average streams of winning per time/hour/spin….and I target 20-25 per spin so that it closed to 1K per hour if there’s 5o spins and the Capital Power need to fight “storm”/streak of bad luck is around 99.999% from Binomial calculation/application…

All these are independent of HE U mentioned…MS itself also cannot erase the HE BUT it overcome the HE by doubling the stake/ante/wager.

When “I buy both side”, is the example, (U still keep digging the bull horn and refused to understand..) that when U play MS with 1,2,4,8 double in even money bet ( I dun encourage playing outside bet anymore as my formula improved and better) .U can BUY BOTH SIDE and turn the formula/progression into 1,3,7,15,31 which is 2^n-1 from original 2^n the -1 is the 1 unit buying OPPOSITE bet…

From the way U cannot accept this, its because U are the same as my “past”,,, keep digging the Bullhorn tip…Hardcore in thinking that HE cannot be changed unless U can “predict”...or take advantage of flaws (Joseph Bragg?) to overcome your HE….

That , I leave it to U to continue Ur research…Until U found a formula for that and strike Billions….

Thanks You.

Wrong. You did not overcome the HE. You are using progression and effectively all you are doing is to expose more money to the HE every spin. If you claim to be a math expert you clearly are a lier and a scammer.

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Posted: 01 December 2014 03:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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VB Meister - 01 December 2014 12:33 AM
roulettPro1 - 30 November 2014 09:49 PM
sergiy - 30 November 2014 07:52 PM

About your understanding of math. There are 37 numbers on the roulette wheel. Payment for hitt is 1:35. One number in payments casino reserve to themselfs no matter what. Its called HE. As long as you do not address this problem, any proggression you use just compounds HE. You state you buy ” both sides” ... whatever you mean by that statment, l understand it as you bett on both ( or 3 ) of equal chances.  It is just makes you bett more numbers at the same time, exposing your bankroll to the higher degree to the HE. Even if you bett on lines or doble lines, rendom groops of numbers or any combination of posible betts.. it doesn’t change anything.  You can not beat casino in their game, its imposible using math methods. Becouse casinos HE is garanted by the same math.
Explanation typed above makes your statments fallacious, and you an ordinary gambler, definitely not pro.
Your statments of bigg winns simply are egeinst common logic, wich makes you a liar. Your nephew winn in any malasian math doesn’t make you smarter either. Your need for somebody else money makes you scammer, as you contribute nothing of value back to the person who supposed to bring you money. Posting your stupidity all over the forum makes you troll.
So lets resume.. YOU ARE STUPID LYING SCAMMER from malasia, SUBMERSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FALLACY AND EGOMANIA… Basicly nesty human DEGENERATED GARBAGE. Yes this is who you are, according to the common logick , your own statments and atitudes. If you have any problems with any words used here, consult wikipedia about their true meaning, use google translate if you need. If after that you will have any doubts about you beeng STUPID LYING SCAMBAG EGOMANIAC DEGENERATE, Ill take my time to explane it to you egein. . And egein…and egein… as l did during all the time of your permanence at our forum.


Mr Sergiy: when U kept the vulgar word and derogatory remarks for Ur own, U R pretty cute.and lovely !

Its also entertaining when U explain Ur BASIC in HE and probability ( for primary school maths?)

It is true, no matter how U play, every spin is INDEPENDENT AND THE HE IS CONSTANT.. U cannot eliminate this.

I also “Shy away” from playing roulette for this reason. Until I accidentally introduced a “double up method” by my Good friend… so I turn google into “roulette strategy” and bump into some1 advertising the same like “Tomuen”, he shows the Column bet using progression that shows “can earn $100 per day”...I also skeptic but I check his formula/progression and conditions, I found the catch…

So I modified the condition and change the Progression and simulate from 50K free history to get the result… I found that it works.

I finally brought estimated 2K limit to test,,, that first virgin play, I won 11K from 7pm to 6am nonstop 11 hours play.

then I keep improve my formula through experience…..

I now prove that , and saw that Martingale System is one method to win, there is another D’ Alambert and Joseph Braggs on other methods.

I can only tell Martingale System became my BASIC…and it turned to a series of progression (formula) and I added a system by my name Ali’s Cycle… this A C is the secret weapon where I can then win average streams of winning per time/hour/spin….and I target 20-25 per spin so that it closed to 1K per hour if there’s 5o spins and the Capital Power need to fight “storm”/streak of bad luck is around 99.999% from Binomial calculation/application…

All these are independent of HE U mentioned…MS itself also cannot erase the HE BUT it overcome the HE by doubling the stake/ante/wager.

When “I buy both side”, is the example, (U still keep digging the bull horn and refused to understand..) that when U play MS with 1,2,4,8 double in even money bet ( I dun encourage playing outside bet anymore as my formula improved and better) .U can BUY BOTH SIDE and turn the formula/progression into 1,3,7,15,31 which is 2^n-1 from original 2^n the -1 is the 1 unit buying OPPOSITE bet…

From the way U cannot accept this, its because U are the same as my “past”,,, keep digging the Bullhorn tip…Hardcore in thinking that HE cannot be changed unless U can “predict”...or take advantage of flaws (Joseph Bragg?) to overcome your HE….

That , I leave it to U to continue Ur research…Until U found a formula for that and strike Billions….

Thanks You.

Wrong. You did not overcome the HE. You are using progression and effectively all you are doing is to expose more money to the HE every spin. If you claim to be a math expert you clearly are a lier and a scammer.

WRONG, U DUNNO LAW AND DUN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH AS WELL AS A LIAR….

THE WORD SCAM MUST HOLD WATER ONLY THERE’S A VICTIM, SAY SOME ONE PAID MONEY AND BEING CHEATED…U R LIAR, WHEN U THINK ONLY HE AND PRETEND OR DUMB ON OTHER FACTOR, THIS SHOWS UR MINDSET IS LIMITED AND HV HEARTLOCK/PARADIGM.

IN MS, NO MATTER HOW BIG THE ANTE/WAGER/STAKE, ONCE AND ONLY ONCE THE WINNING ENDS THE BETTING, AND REFRESH ANOTHER…

SAY LOSES STREAK TO 20 SPIN, AT THE 21ST SPIN THEN WAGER/ANTE/STAKE BECAME 2^20 UNIT..THE HE OF EUROPEAN ROULETTE MIGHT BECAME 2^20 X 0.0271 UNIT….SO WHAT ? when the betting strike and win, (in the even money bet for example) the winning is 2^20 Units, these overcame the SUM of the previous losses from 2^0 to 2^19 units and won back 1 Unit (2^0) and NOT {2^2O - (PREVIOUSLY LOST) “- HE”) , NO SUCH THING AS - HE…SO THE HE ONLY EFFECT ON THE CHANCES OF WINNING (50 + 2.71 % TO 47.9%)NOT THE WINNING MONEY…WHICH HAD COVERED IT so after winning the 1 UNIT, the MS ended and the 1 Unit is the profit and will not be reversed. then start another game….spin/round and then stretched to certain rounds or even the first round strike… again and again….cumulative winning became the profit….

Then when smart people"like me” think over and “Buy 2 sides” of the even money ... using progression of 2^N-1 so that every round spin is included in the winning… say 1. lost, 3 lost, 7 lost 15 won…so we won 15-7-3-1= 4 units which equals to 4 rounds… so when we play 100000 spins we won with each package of winning…and won 100000 units….no matter how long a stretch of play, it could be 1 spin and won 1 unit or 10 spins to win 10 units or 20 spins only win back 20 units….the only risk is the Capital Power… say how much capital can withstand the losing streak…if capital is 512(2^8) unit, then it can take 8 spin losing streak, if capital is 2^30 unit then can withstand 30 spin losing streak…..

So the Casino put up condition with min and max limits….whereby, table limit of min 10 per unit and max of 10K can only cater for 9 or 10 rounds/spin losing streak…BUT if U smart, U can still BUY inside bets to add up the Double up…or play in 5 more tables to add 5 x table limit…??!! etc all the maths trick.

BUT my maths trick is “reduce the capital requirement so that I can take on 99.999% probability not to lose, of course cannot be absolute 100% sure since there has been 1/(2^26 ) where red came out 26 times… this is also 0.00000000001 chance to happen?!!

So please check Ur point and dun simply use the derogatory wordings wrongly (keep it yourself OK)and pollute the beautiful English.

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Posted: 01 December 2014 05:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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roulettPro1 - 01 December 2014 03:30 AM
VB Meister - 01 December 2014 12:33 AM
roulettPro1 - 30 November 2014 09:49 PM
sergiy - 30 November 2014 07:52 PM

About your understanding of math. There are 37 numbers on the roulette wheel. Payment for hitt is 1:35. One number in payments casino reserve to themselfs no matter what. Its called HE. As long as you do not address this problem, any proggression you use just compounds HE. You state you buy ” both sides” ... whatever you mean by that statment, l understand it as you bett on both ( or 3 ) of equal chances.  It is just makes you bett more numbers at the same time, exposing your bankroll to the higher degree to the HE. Even if you bett on lines or doble lines, rendom groops of numbers or any combination of posible betts.. it doesn’t change anything.  You can not beat casino in their game, its imposible using math methods. Becouse casinos HE is garanted by the same math.
Explanation typed above makes your statments fallacious, and you an ordinary gambler, definitely not pro.
Your statments of bigg winns simply are egeinst common logic, wich makes you a liar. Your nephew winn in any malasian math doesn’t make you smarter either. Your need for somebody else money makes you scammer, as you contribute nothing of value back to the person who supposed to bring you money. Posting your stupidity all over the forum makes you troll.
So lets resume.. YOU ARE STUPID LYING SCAMMER from malasia, SUBMERSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FALLACY AND EGOMANIA… Basicly nesty human DEGENERATED GARBAGE. Yes this is who you are, according to the common logick , your own statments and atitudes. If you have any problems with any words used here, consult wikipedia about their true meaning, use google translate if you need. If after that you will have any doubts about you beeng STUPID LYING SCAMBAG EGOMANIAC DEGENERATE, Ill take my time to explane it to you egein. . And egein…and egein… as l did during all the time of your permanence at our forum.


Mr Sergiy: when U kept the vulgar word and derogatory remarks for Ur own, U R pretty cute.and lovely !

Its also entertaining when U explain Ur BASIC in HE and probability ( for primary school maths?)

It is true, no matter how U play, every spin is INDEPENDENT AND THE HE IS CONSTANT.. U cannot eliminate this.

I also “Shy away” from playing roulette for this reason. Until I accidentally introduced a “double up method” by my Good friend… so I turn google into “roulette strategy” and bump into some1 advertising the same like “Tomuen”, he shows the Column bet using progression that shows “can earn $100 per day”...I also skeptic but I check his formula/progression and conditions, I found the catch…

So I modified the condition and change the Progression and simulate from 50K free history to get the result… I found that it works.

I finally brought estimated 2K limit to test,,, that first virgin play, I won 11K from 7pm to 6am nonstop 11 hours play.

then I keep improve my formula through experience…..

I now prove that , and saw that Martingale System is one method to win, there is another D’ Alambert and Joseph Braggs on other methods.

I can only tell Martingale System became my BASIC…and it turned to a series of progression (formula) and I added a system by my name Ali’s Cycle… this A C is the secret weapon where I can then win average streams of winning per time/hour/spin….and I target 20-25 per spin so that it closed to 1K per hour if there’s 5o spins and the Capital Power need to fight “storm”/streak of bad luck is around 99.999% from Binomial calculation/application…

All these are independent of HE U mentioned…MS itself also cannot erase the HE BUT it overcome the HE by doubling the stake/ante/wager.

When “I buy both side”, is the example, (U still keep digging the bull horn and refused to understand..) that when U play MS with 1,2,4,8 double in even money bet ( I dun encourage playing outside bet anymore as my formula improved and better) .U can BUY BOTH SIDE and turn the formula/progression into 1,3,7,15,31 which is 2^n-1 from original 2^n the -1 is the 1 unit buying OPPOSITE bet…

From the way U cannot accept this, its because U are the same as my “past”,,, keep digging the Bullhorn tip…Hardcore in thinking that HE cannot be changed unless U can “predict”...or take advantage of flaws (Joseph Bragg?) to overcome your HE….

That , I leave it to U to continue Ur research…Until U found a formula for that and strike Billions….

Thanks You.

Wrong. You did not overcome the HE. You are using progression and effectively all you are doing is to expose more money to the HE every spin. If you claim to be a math expert you clearly are a lier and a scammer.

WRONG, U DUNNO LAW AND DUN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH AS WELL AS A LIAR….

THE WORD SCAM MUST HOLD WATER ONLY THERE’S A VICTIM, SAY SOME ONE PAID MONEY AND BEING CHEATED…U R LIAR, WHEN U THINK ONLY HE AND PRETEND OR DUMB ON OTHER FACTOR, THIS SHOWS UR MINDSET IS LIMITED AND HV HEARTLOCK/PARADIGM.

IN MS, NO MATTER HOW BIG THE ANTE/WAGER/STAKE, ONCE AND ONLY ONCE THE WINNING ENDS THE BETTING, AND REFRESH ANOTHER…

SAY LOSES STREAK TO 20 SPIN, AT THE 21ST SPIN THEN WAGER/ANTE/STAKE BECAME 2^20 UNIT..THE HE OF EUROPEAN ROULETTE MIGHT BECAME 2^20 X 0.0271 UNIT….SO WHAT ? when the betting strike and win, (in the even money bet for example) the winning is 2^20 Units, these overcame the SUM of the previous losses from 2^0 to 2^19 units and won back 1 Unit (2^0) and NOT {2^2O - (PREVIOUSLY LOST) “- HE”) , NO SUCH THING AS - HE…SO THE HE ONLY EFFECT ON THE CHANCES OF WINNING (50 + 2.71 % TO 47.9%)NOT THE WINNING MONEY…WHICH HAD COVERED IT so after winning the 1 UNIT, the MS ended and the 1 Unit is the profit and will not be reversed. then start another game….spin/round and then stretched to certain rounds or even the first round strike… again and again….cumulative winning became the profit….

Then when smart people"like me” think over and “Buy 2 sides” of the even money ... using progression of 2^N-1 so that every round spin is included in the winning… say 1. lost, 3 lost, 7 lost 15 won…so we won 15-7-3-1= 4 units which equals to 4 rounds… so when we play 100000 spins we won with each package of winning…and won 100000 units….no matter how long a stretch of play, it could be 1 spin and won 1 unit or 10 spins to win 10 units or 20 spins only win back 20 units….the only risk is the Capital Power… say how much capital can withstand the losing streak…if capital is 512(2^8) unit, then it can take 8 spin losing streak, if capital is 2^30 unit then can withstand 30 spin losing streak…..

So the Casino put up condition with min and max limits….whereby, table limit of min 10 per unit and max of 10K can only cater for 9 or 10 rounds/spin losing streak…BUT if U smart, U can still BUY inside bets to add up the Double up…or play in 5 more tables to add 5 x table limit…??!! etc all the maths trick.

BUT my maths trick is “reduce the capital requirement so that I can take on 99.999% probability not to lose, of course cannot be absolute 100% sure since there has been 1/(2^26 ) where red came out 26 times… this is also 0.00000000001 chance to happen?!!

So please check Ur point and dun simply use the derogatory wordings wrongly (keep it yourself OK)and pollute the beautiful English.

I am very sure that you are a bullshitter. Again. Every spin is a new event and again by progression you are exposing more and more money to the HE. You do not understand basic math or basic probability.

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Posted: 01 December 2014 05:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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VB Meister - 01 December 2014 05:23 AM
roulettPro1 - 01 December 2014 03:30 AM
VB Meister - 01 December 2014 12:33 AM
roulettPro1 - 30 November 2014 09:49 PM
sergiy - 30 November 2014 07:52 PM

About your understanding of math. There are 37 numbers on the roulette wheel. Payment for hitt is 1:35. One number in payments casino reserve to themselfs no matter what. Its called HE. As long as you do not address this problem, any proggression you use just compounds HE. You state you buy ” both sides” ... whatever you mean by that statment, l understand it as you bett on both ( or 3 ) of equal chances.  It is just makes you bett more numbers at the same time, exposing your bankroll to the higher degree to the HE. Even if you bett on lines or doble lines, rendom groops of numbers or any combination of posible betts.. it doesn’t change anything.  You can not beat casino in their game, its imposible using math methods. Becouse casinos HE is garanted by the same math.
Explanation typed above makes your statments fallacious, and you an ordinary gambler, definitely not pro.
Your statments of bigg winns simply are egeinst common logic, wich makes you a liar. Your nephew winn in any malasian math doesn’t make you smarter either. Your need for somebody else money makes you scammer, as you contribute nothing of value back to the person who supposed to bring you money. Posting your stupidity all over the forum makes you troll.
So lets resume.. YOU ARE STUPID LYING SCAMMER from malasia, SUBMERSED ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF FALLACY AND EGOMANIA… Basicly nesty human DEGENERATED GARBAGE. Yes this is who you are, according to the common logick , your own statments and atitudes. If you have any problems with any words used here, consult wikipedia about their true meaning, use google translate if you need. If after that you will have any doubts about you beeng STUPID LYING SCAMBAG EGOMANIAC DEGENERATE, Ill take my time to explane it to you egein. . And egein…and egein… as l did during all the time of your permanence at our forum.


Mr Sergiy: when U kept the vulgar word and derogatory remarks for Ur own, U R pretty cute.and lovely !

 


Its also entertaining when U explain Ur BASIC in HE and probability ( for primary school maths?)

It is true, no matter how U play, every spin is INDEPENDENT AND THE HE IS CONSTANT.. U cannot eliminate this.

I also “Shy away” from playing roulette for this reason. Until I accidentally introduced a “double up method” by my Good friend… so I turn google into “roulette strategy” and bump into some1 advertising the same like “Tomuen”, he shows the Column bet using progression that shows “can earn $100 per day”...I also skeptic but I check his formula/progression and conditions, I found the catch…

So I modified the condition and change the Progression and simulate from 50K free history to get the result… I found that it works.

I finally brought estimated 2K limit to test,,, that first virgin play, I won 11K from 7pm to 6am nonstop 11 hours play.

then I keep improve my formula through experience…..

I now prove that , and saw that Martingale System is one method to win, there is another D’ Alambert and Joseph Braggs on other methods.

I can only tell Martingale System became my BASIC…and it turned to a series of progression (formula) and I added a system by my name Ali’s Cycle… this A C is the secret weapon where I can then win average streams of winning per time/hour/spin….and I target 20-25 per spin so that it closed to 1K per hour if there’s 5o spins and the Capital Power need to fight “storm”/streak of bad luck is around 99.999% from Binomial calculation/application…

All these are independent of HE U mentioned…MS itself also cannot erase the HE BUT it overcome the HE by doubling the stake/ante/wager.

When “I buy both side”, is the example, (U still keep digging the bull horn and refused to understand..) that when U play MS with 1,2,4,8 double in even money bet ( I dun encourage playing outside bet anymore as my formula improved and better) .U can BUY BOTH SIDE and turn the formula/progression into 1,3,7,15,31 which is 2^n-1 from original 2^n the -1 is the 1 unit buying OPPOSITE bet…

From the way U cannot accept this, its because U are the same as my “past”,,, keep digging the Bullhorn tip…Hardcore in thinking that HE cannot be changed unless U can “predict”...or take advantage of flaws (Joseph Bragg?) to overcome your HE….

That , I leave it to U to continue Ur research…Until U found a formula for that and strike Billions….

Thanks You.

Wrong. You did not overcome the HE. You are using progression and effectively all you are doing is to expose more money to the HE every spin. If you claim to be a math expert you clearly are a lier and a scammer.

WRONG, U DUNNO LAW AND DUN UNDERSTAND ENGLISH AS WELL AS A LIAR….

THE WORD SCAM MUST HOLD WATER ONLY THERE’S A VICTIM, SAY SOME ONE PAID MONEY AND BEING CHEATED…U R LIAR, WHEN U THINK ONLY HE AND PRETEND OR DUMB ON OTHER FACTOR, THIS SHOWS UR MINDSET IS LIMITED AND HV HEARTLOCK/PARADIGM.

IN MS, NO MATTER HOW BIG THE ANTE/WAGER/STAKE, ONCE AND ONLY ONCE THE WINNING ENDS THE BETTING, AND REFRESH ANOTHER…

SAY LOSES STREAK TO 20 SPIN, AT THE 21ST SPIN THEN WAGER/ANTE/STAKE BECAME 2^20 UNIT..THE HE OF EUROPEAN ROULETTE MIGHT BECAME 2^20 X 0.0271 UNIT….SO WHAT ? when the betting strike and win, (in the even money bet for example) the winning is 2^20 Units, these overcame the SUM of the previous losses from 2^0 to 2^19 units and won back 1 Unit (2^0) and NOT {2^2O - (PREVIOUSLY LOST) “- HE”) , NO SUCH THING AS - HE…SO THE HE ONLY EFFECT ON THE CHANCES OF WINNING (50 + 2.71 % TO 47.9%)NOT THE WINNING MONEY…WHICH HAD COVERED IT so after winning the 1 UNIT, the MS ended and the 1 Unit is the profit and will not be reversed. then start another game….spin/round and then stretched to certain rounds or even the first round strike… again and again….cumulative winning became the profit….

Then when smart people"like me” think over and “Buy 2 sides” of the even money ... using progression of 2^N-1 so that every round spin is included in the winning… say 1. lost, 3 lost, 7 lost 15 won…so we won 15-7-3-1= 4 units which equals to 4 rounds… so when we play 100000 spins we won with each package of winning…and won 100000 units….no matter how long a stretch of play, it could be 1 spin and won 1 unit or 10 spins to win 10 units or 20 spins only win back 20 units….the only risk is the Capital Power… say how much capital can withstand the losing streak…if capital is 512(2^8) unit, then it can take 8 spin losing streak, if capital is 2^30 unit then can withstand 30 spin losing streak…..

So the Casino put up condition with min and max limits….whereby, table limit of min 10 per unit and max of 10K can only cater for 9 or 10 rounds/spin losing streak…BUT if U smart, U can still BUY inside bets to add up the Double up…or play in 5 more tables to add 5 x table limit…??!! etc all the maths trick.

BUT my maths trick is “reduce the capital requirement so that I can take on 99.999% probability not to lose, of course cannot be absolute 100% sure since there has been 1/(2^26 ) where red came out 26 times… this is also 0.00000000001 chance to happen?!!

So please check Ur point and dun simply use the derogatory wordings wrongly (keep it yourself OK)and pollute the beautiful English.

I am very sure that you are a bullshitter. Again. Every spin is a new event and again by progression you are exposing more and more money to the HE. You do not understand basic math or basic probability.

U R also very sure U R either pretend to be dumb/idiotic or wann provoke me, no more free ticket for U, BUT U need to apologise for baseless accusation/allegation , be gentleman, I dun hv to repeat , the answer of MS against HE is up here in Black and white…Up to U to hv denial syndrome , I saw some of Ur post, I know where U R standing

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Posted: 02 December 2014 11:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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VB Meister - 01 December 2014 05:23 AM
roulettPro1 - 01 December 2014 03:30 AM

SAY LOSES STREAK TO 20 SPIN, AT THE 21ST SPIN THEN WAGER/ANTE/STAKE BECAME 2^20 UNIT..THE HE OF EUROPEAN ROULETTE MIGHT BECAME 2^20 X 0.0271 UNIT….SO WHAT ? when the betting strike and win, (in the even money bet for example) the winning is 2^20 Units, these overcame the SUM of the previous losses from 2^0 to 2^19 units and won back 1 Unit (2^0) and NOT {2^2O - (PREVIOUSLY LOST) “- HE”) , NO SUCH THING AS - HE…SO THE HE ONLY EFFECT ON THE CHANCES OF WINNING (50 + 2.71 % TO 47.9%)NOT THE WINNING MONEY…WHICH HAD COVERED IT so after winning the 1 UNIT, the MS ended and the 1 Unit is the profit and will not be reversed. then start another game….spin/round and then stretched to certain rounds or even the first round strike… again and again….cumulative winning became the profit….

Then when smart people"like me” think over and “Buy 2 sides” of the even money ... using progression of 2^N-1 so that every round spin is included in the winning… say 1. lost, 3 lost, 7 lost 15 won…so we won 15-7-3-1= 4 units which equals to 4 rounds… so when we play 100000 spins we won with each package of winning…and won 100000 units….no matter how long a stretch of play, it could be 1 spin and won 1 unit or 10 spins to win 10 units or 20 spins only win back 20 units….the only risk is the Capital Power… say how much capital can withstand the losing streak…if capital is 512(2^8) unit, then it can take 8 spin losing streak, if capital is 2^30 unit then can withstand 30 spin losing streak…..

So the Casino put up condition with min and max limits….whereby, table limit of min 10 per unit and max of 10K can only cater for 9 or 10 rounds/spin losing streak…BUT if U smart, U can still BUY inside bets to add up the Double up…or play in 5 more tables to add 5 x table limit…??!! etc all the maths trick.

You do not understand basic math or basic probability.

IMHO roulettePro1 has a good grip on probability but lacks an understanding of the engine that drives casino profits: expected value, expressed mathematically as
    (p(win) * $(win)) - (p(loss) * $(loss))
For a straight-up bet of one unit on one number on a European wheel this yields
    ((1 / 37) * 35) - ((36 / 37) * 1) = (0.027 * 36) - (0.973 * 1) = -0.027
Of course on any specific spin the player either wins 35 units or loses 1 unit, but after a large number (N) of spins the player betting one unit/spin is expected to have lost (0.027 * N) units.  The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “the black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.

(BTW the 1, 3, 7, 15, etc. betting progression is known as a Grand Martingale while merely doubling the previous bet is offically a Simple Martingale.)

As roulettePro1 notes, the Achilles’ Heel of a Martingale, or for that matter any up-as-you-lose progression, is “Capital Power” (and table limits).  Martingale advocates do not understand how quickly betting requirements can get out of hand.  To withstand a 30-spin losing streak a player needs a bankroll of over a billion units!

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Posted: 02 December 2014 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 02 December 2014 11:45 AM
VB Meister - 01 December 2014 05:23 AM
roulettPro1 - 01 December 2014 03:30 AM

SAY LOSES STREAK TO 20 SPIN, AT THE 21ST SPIN THEN WAGER/ANTE/STAKE BECAME 2^20 UNIT..THE HE OF EUROPEAN ROULETTE MIGHT BECAME 2^20 X 0.0271 UNIT….SO WHAT ? when the betting strike and win, (in the even money bet for example) the winning is 2^20 Units, these overcame the SUM of the previous losses from 2^0 to 2^19 units and won back 1 Unit (2^0) and NOT {2^2O - (PREVIOUSLY LOST) “- HE”) , NO SUCH THING AS - HE…SO THE HE ONLY EFFECT ON THE CHANCES OF WINNING (50 + 2.71 % TO 47.9%)NOT THE WINNING MONEY…WHICH HAD COVERED IT so after winning the 1 UNIT, the MS ended and the 1 Unit is the profit and will not be reversed. then start another game….spin/round and then stretched to certain rounds or even the first round strike… again and again….cumulative winning became the profit….

Then when smart people"like me” think over and “Buy 2 sides” of the even money ... using progression of 2^N-1 so that every round spin is included in the winning… say 1. lost, 3 lost, 7 lost 15 won…so we won 15-7-3-1= 4 units which equals to 4 rounds… so when we play 100000 spins we won with each package of winning…and won 100000 units….no matter how long a stretch of play, it could be 1 spin and won 1 unit or 10 spins to win 10 units or 20 spins only win back 20 units….the only risk is the Capital Power… say how much capital can withstand the losing streak…if capital is 512(2^8) unit, then it can take 8 spin losing streak, if capital is 2^30 unit then can withstand 30 spin losing streak…..

So the Casino put up condition with min and max limits….whereby, table limit of min 10 per unit and max of 10K can only cater for 9 or 10 rounds/spin losing streak…BUT if U smart, U can still BUY inside bets to add up the Double up…or play in 5 more tables to add 5 x table limit…??!! etc all the maths trick.

You do not understand basic math or basic probability.

IMHO roulettePro1 has a good grip on probability but lacks an understanding of the engine that drives casino profits: expected value, expressed mathematically as
    (p(win) * $(win)) - (p(loss) * $(loss))
For a straight-up bet of one unit on one number on a European wheel this yields
    ((1 / 37) * 35) - ((36 / 37) * 1) = (0.027 * 36) - (0.973 * 1) = -0.027
Of course on any specific spin the player either wins 35 units or loses 1 unit, but after a large number (N) of spins the player betting one unit/spin is expected to have lost (0.027 * N) units.  The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “the black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.

(BTW the 1, 3, 7, 15, etc. betting progression is known as a Grand Martingale while merely doubling the previous bet is offically a Simple Martingale.)

As roulettePro1 notes, the Achilles’ Heel of a Martingale, or for that matter any up-as-you-lose progression, is “Capital Power” (and table limits).  Martingale advocates do not understand how quickly betting requirements can get out of hand.  To withstand a 30-spin losing streak a player needs a bankroll of over a billion units!

We understood that he doesn’t understand it. What we are unable to grasp understanding of is how somebody comes to the forum where real players appiare and pretend to be someone who he is clearly not. Why to lying?  And the funn with his need of capital of fellow players to bank his luck of understanding is laughable.  Then pretending to be genios and mathematical educated, engenire. .ets…
I think he lacks understanding of life itself, not only HE or table limits.

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Posted: 02 December 2014 06:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 02 December 2014 11:45 AM
VB Meister - 01 December 2014 05:23 AM
roulettPro1 - 01 December 2014 03:30 AM

SAY LOSES STREAK TO 20 SPIN, AT THE 21ST SPIN THEN WAGER/ANTE/STAKE BECAME 2^20 UNIT..THE HE OF EUROPEAN ROULETTE MIGHT BECAME 2^20 X 0.0271 UNIT….SO WHAT ? when the betting strike and win, (in the even money bet for example) the winning is 2^20 Units, these overcame the SUM of the previous losses from 2^0 to 2^19 units and won back 1 Unit (2^0) and NOT {2^2O - (PREVIOUSLY LOST) “- HE”) , NO SUCH THING AS - HE…SO THE HE ONLY EFFECT ON THE CHANCES OF WINNING (50 + 2.71 % TO 47.9%)NOT THE WINNING MONEY…WHICH HAD COVERED IT so after winning the 1 UNIT, the MS ended and the 1 Unit is the profit and will not be reversed. then start another game….spin/round and then stretched to certain rounds or even the first round strike… again and again….cumulative winning became the profit….

Then when smart people"like me” think over and “Buy 2 sides” of the even money ... using progression of 2^N-1 so that every round spin is included in the winning… say 1. lost, 3 lost, 7 lost 15 won…so we won 15-7-3-1= 4 units which equals to 4 rounds… so when we play 100000 spins we won with each package of winning…and won 100000 units….no matter how long a stretch of play, it could be 1 spin and won 1 unit or 10 spins to win 10 units or 20 spins only win back 20 units….the only risk is the Capital Power… say how much capital can withstand the losing streak…if capital is 512(2^8) unit, then it can take 8 spin losing streak, if capital is 2^30 unit then can withstand 30 spin losing streak…..

So the Casino put up condition with min and max limits….whereby, table limit of min 10 per unit and max of 10K can only cater for 9 or 10 rounds/spin losing streak…BUT if U smart, U can still BUY inside bets to add up the Double up…or play in 5 more tables to add 5 x table limit…??!! etc all the maths trick.

You do not understand basic math or basic probability.

IMHO roulettePro1 has a good grip on probability but lacks an understanding of the engine that drives casino profits: expected value, expressed mathematically as
    (p(win) * $(win)) - (p(loss) * $(loss))
For a straight-up bet of one unit on one number on a European wheel this yields
    ((1 / 37) * 35) - ((36 / 37) * 1) = (0.027 * 36) - (0.973 * 1) = -0.027
Of course on any specific spin the player either wins 35 units or loses 1 unit, but after a large number (N) of spins the player betting one unit/spin is expected to have lost (0.027 * N) units.  The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “the black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.

(BTW the 1, 3, 7, 15, etc. betting progression is known as a Grand Martingale while merely doubling the previous bet is offically a Simple Martingale.)

As roulettePro1 notes, the Achilles’ Heel of a Martingale, or for that matter any up-as-you-lose progression, is “Capital Power” (and table limits).  Martingale advocates do not understand how quickly betting requirements can get out of hand.  To withstand a 30-spin losing streak a player needs a bankroll of over a billion units!


A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .
And it depends upon the observer . As Taleb himself put it a turkey may be surprised by a Black Swan but his butcher would not have been.
What it does illustrate is that those APers who claim that Chingy will “eventually “lose his profits and his bankroll will be surprised by a Black Swan if Chingy keeps on winning but Chingy won’t be surprised . The Black Swan can destroy those ,like Apers ,who claim certainty where there is only uncertainty.
Chingy must be laughing his socks off as his critics embrace ” rare events ” !

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Posted: 02 December 2014 07:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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As roulettePro1 notes, the Achilles’ Heel of a Martingale, or for that matter any up-as-you-lose progression, is “Capital Power” (and table limits).  Martingale advocates do not understand how quickly betting requirements can get out of hand.  To withstand a 30-spin losing streak a player needs a bankroll of over a billion units!


A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .
And it depends upon the observer . As Taleb himself put it a turkey may be surprised by a Black Swan but his butcher would not have been.
What it does illustrate is that those APers who claim that Chingy will “eventually “lose his profits and his bankroll will be surprised by a Black Swan if Chingy keeps on winning but Chingy won’t be surprised . The Black Swan can destroy those ,like Apers ,who claim certainty where there is only uncertainty.
Chingy must be laughing his socks off as his critics embrace ” rare events ” !

Hi Scepticus,
    So true, “the butcher would not have been”, but you forgot to mention
  the most important part of Nassim Nicholas Taleb in his 2001 book
  “Fooled By Randomness.”
 
      “Hence the objective should be to “avoid being the turkey” by identifying
          areas of vulnerability in order to “turn the Black Swans white.”

    Taleb layed out his theory based on a criteria:
        The event is a surprise to the one who sees it.
        The event has a major effect.
        After the first recorded instance of the event,
        it is rationalized by hindsight, as if it could have
        been expected; that is, the relevant data were
        available but unaccounted for in risk mitigation programs.

    I’m not laughing Scepticus, but I’m pleased with the results.
    I questioned my own testing in the early stages, always
    expecting the strategy to fail. That’s where the “surprise”
    came about as Taleb wrote. But over time even with my
    losses I realized the “major effect.” I still resulted in a positive
    in a negative expectation game. You are correct a Black Swan
    isn’t a string of loses, but an event of any kind that is unpredicted.
    Most of my naysayers, spoke of randomness in the form that
    it was a “CERTAINTY”, that’s where the true contradiction lies.
    They questioned the power of series of which I believe is the
    real strength of the Chingy, when I raised the Laws of Distribution
    and Appearance, one party here called me a fool. The so called
    “Long Run” argument always boiled down to the fact I would
    lose but no one could define the long run which that it was the
    point where I would lose. Fortuntely, I haven’t reached the Long
    Run “YET”, that’s if it exist in one’s life span. So for now my
    Black Swan has turned white.

    Remember my post “The Question” maybe I’m not as ridiculous
            and foolish as so many voiced!

 
    The Question

  “Are all spins and all appearances independent?”
 
  This must be answered with: “No, neither the spins
  nor the appearances can be independent, because
  each is a part of the whole!”

  In reality, each spin and each appearance has it’s
  necessary and obligatory function in the totality of
  a permanency.

  Chance doesn’t exist there because all effects have
  their visable or hidden cause. In fact there is no secret,
  it is quite obvious there must be a connection. Other-
  wise the wheel could not produce steady statistics.
 
  You can analyze any section of any consecutive spins
  of any permanency and you will find similar results,
  however with very small normal deviations.

  It is therefore, allowed to say, that the independence
  of every spin is not a real one. Every spin of the wheel
  is a part and has a function in a permanency of a certain
  length.

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Posted: 02 December 2014 09:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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NOW, I WISH TO THANK YOU AND HAD REALLY LISTEN/READ MY POSTS.

AND GOOD POSTINGS FROM U ALL INSTEAD OF ACCUSING AND PERSONAL ATTACK BLINDLY.

DO U HAVE 2^30 UNITS TO PLAY MARTINGALE SYSTEM TO COUNTER BLACK SWAN (THANK YOU I AM NOT GOOD IN SUCH LANGUAGE AND NOW HEARD IT HERE)OF 29 STREAK OF LOSES?!

THAT’S THE POINT.

AND I ACCIDENTALLY APPLIED SOME STRATEGIES AND MODIFIED AND DISCOVERED A “FORMULA”/AP PRACTICE THAT I CAN LOWER THE BANK ROLL TO RM3K/$1K TO HV 99.999% CONFIDENT AS CAPITAL TO WIN AVERAGE OF RM 1K/$ 300 AN HOUR….THIS IS WHAT I MEAN…

WHETHER U agree or disagree…I dun force people to believe and hate people malign me…


Thank You for the understanding
hv a nice day

Best regards.

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Posted: 03 December 2014 12:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Chingy711 - 02 December 2014 07:30 PM

A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .

OK, so a “Black Swan” is simply a rare event, an example of which is a long string of losses.  I therefore request to be allowed to change my apparently offending statement as follows: “The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “a black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.”

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

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