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Posted: 03 December 2014 01:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM
Chingy711 - 02 December 2014 07:30 PM

A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .

OK, so a “Black Swan” is simply a rare event, an example of which is a long string of losses.  I therefore request to be allowed to change my apparently offending statement as follows: “The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “a black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.”

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

Yes Midnight U R right….Black swan came often, in Baccarat, they welcome it and call it Dragon, the Opportunist will then speculate and play Anti Martingale…hit and run… but how many of them really eventually can win?

I saw 24red+2(zero) in a roll at an alfastreet machine, I also saw another 22 red in a row from grouper’s spin.. I also saw many 18 times 19-36 and many >18 times absent of center column (13-24)

BUT I still win 8K when the alfastreet machine hv 24 + 2 spins absent of black, in which I also lost RM 800 taking advantage to buy black 5X using Grand martingale. My Core Formula is not Grand Martingale , I continue winning whether its “26” black swan for even money bet or “100” black swan…as my formula did not follow color or even money bet.

The black swan is like the tsunami/storm/volcano eruption…All in all its the 0.001% risk left behind to my formula…BUT when we won substantial money, we can use that money to “buy insurance” against Black swan when Black swan started to form.

And ... worst come to worst my formula also limit us to lose only RM 3K or USD <1K if black swan came

At first, I just need a few genuine partner to come and I identify as Malaysian… after encouraged by a PM fr an european , I felt its also quite practical to invite outsiders and I dun hv prejudice on race or nationality. and its also quite Economical as it is <1k USD… !!!!! I dun want donation nor receive any money/deposit…Just U prepare to come by Ur own even treat this as seeing/visiting a friend/penpal, and “Free escort tour"etc

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Posted: 03 December 2014 02:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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roulettPro1 - 03 December 2014 01:41 AM
The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM
Chingy711 - 02 December 2014 07:30 PM

A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .

OK, so a “Black Swan” is simply a rare event, an example of which is a long string of losses.  I therefore request to be allowed to change my apparently offending statement as follows: “The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “a black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.”

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

Yes Midnight U R right….Black swan came often, in Baccarat, they welcome it and call it Dragon, the Opportunist will then speculate and play Anti Martingale…hit and run… but how many of them really eventually can win? I saw 24red+2(zero) in a roll at an alfastreet machine, I also saw another 22 red in a row from grouper’s spin.. I also saw many 18 times 19-36 and many >18 times absent of center column (13-24) BUT I still win 8K when the alfastreet machine hv 24 + 2 spins absent of black, in which I also lost RM 800 taking advantage to buy black 5X using Grand martingale. My Core Formula is not Grand Martingale , I continue winning whether its “26” black swan for even money bet or “100” black swan…as my formula did not follow color or even money bet. The black swan is like the tsunami/storm/volcano eruption…All in all its the 0.001% risk left behind to my formula…BUT when we won substantial money, we can use that money to “buy insurance” against Black swan when Black swan started to form. And ... worst come to worst my formula also limit us to lose only RM 3K or USD <1K if black swan came At first, I just need a few genuine partner to come and I identify as Malaysian… after encouraged by a PM fr an european , I felt its also quite practical to invite outsiders and I dun hv prejudice on race or nationality. and its also quite Economical as it is <1k USD… !!!!! I dun want donation nor receive any money/deposit…Just U prepare to come by Ur own even treat this as seeing/visiting a friend/penpal, and "Free escort tour"etc
aahhh now I get it. You are gay. “Escort services” hehehehehehe Tomuen should be interested.
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Posted: 03 December 2014 03:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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VB Meister - 03 December 2014 02:46 AM
roulettPro1 - 03 December 2014 01:41 AM
The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM
Chingy711 - 02 December 2014 07:30 PM

A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .

OK, so a “Black Swan” is simply a rare event, an example of which is a long string of losses.  I therefore request to be allowed to change my apparently offending statement as follows: “The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “a black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.”

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

Yes Midnight U R right….Black swan came often, in Baccarat, they welcome it and call it Dragon, the Opportunist will then speculate and play Anti Martingale…hit and run… but how many of them really eventually can win? I saw 24red+2(zero) in a roll at an alfastreet machine, I also saw another 22 red in a row from grouper’s spin.. I also saw many 18 times 19-36 and many >18 times absent of center column (13-24) BUT I still win 8K when the alfastreet machine hv 24 + 2 spins absent of black, in which I also lost RM 800 taking advantage to buy black 5X using Grand martingale. My Core Formula is not Grand Martingale , I continue winning whether its “26” black swan for even money bet or “100” black swan…as my formula did not follow color or even money bet. The black swan is like the tsunami/storm/volcano eruption…All in all its the 0.001% risk left behind to my formula…BUT when we won substantial money, we can use that money to “buy insurance” against Black swan when Black swan started to form. And ... worst come to worst my formula also limit us to lose only RM 3K or USD <1K if black swan came At first, I just need a few genuine partner to come and I identify as Malaysian… after encouraged by a PM fr an european , I felt its also quite practical to invite outsiders and I dun hv prejudice on race or nationality. and its also quite Economical as it is <1k USD… !!!!! I dun want donation nor receive any money/deposit…Just U prepare to come by Ur own even treat this as seeing/visiting a friend/penpal, and "Free escort tour"etc
aahhh now I get it. You are gay. “Escort services” hehehehehehe Tomuen should be interested.
HUH VB Meister… U want me to treat it a Joke or? and U spin/twist my word this way also can?!  “Free escort tour” also can become “escort service”? and involve Gay ? and U hate Tomuen so badly? how much he had “scammed” U? Sorry U R “black listed”... No reception for U,  U might carry AIDS?
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Posted: 03 December 2014 09:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM
Chingy711 - 02 December 2014 07:30 PM

A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .

OK, so a “Black Swan” is simply a rare event, an example of which is a long string of losses.  I therefore request to be allowed to change my apparently offending statement as follows: “The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “a black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.”

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

 

You still can’t see the wood for the trees, Midnight. A Black Swan is not ” a long string of losses ” but a single catastrophic event which the recipient did not expect . I was wrong to get sucked into your long string of losses . Chingy won’t be surprised if it hits him because he has said that it may happen . He has also admitted that he has already been hit by it and lost but he is still in profit . And that , dear naysayers, is what gambling is about - winning more than you lose. So you AP guys keep telling him what he already knows.
You have previously admitted that Chingy could win from now to the end of his betting life ” if he was lucky “.Houston. too. says he could but it would be “a rare event “. So isn’t it a contradiction of these opinions to still maintain that the casino will “eventually” take back all his profits - and his bankroll ?
You naysayers should get real and understand that the Long Run argument is an Expectation not a Certainty. And basically that is what you and Houston yourselves say when you allow that someone MIGHT win ! Both you and he got a bloody nose when you challenged someone else who posted his calculations. So, lighten up guys , lighten up and understand that NO ONE can foretell what an uncertain future holds for us.
That way others may be tempted to put forward their ideas without them being trashed by naysayers .

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Posted: 03 December 2014 02:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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scepticus - 03 December 2014 09:30 AM
The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM
Chingy711 - 02 December 2014 07:30 PM

A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .

OK, so a “Black Swan” is simply a rare event, an example of which is a long string of losses.  I therefore request to be allowed to change my apparently offending statement as follows: “The casino could not care less about how many series the player wins; it knows that when the player experiences that rare string of losses (commonly called “a black swan”) it will win more than it has paid out.”

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

 

You still can’t see the wood for the trees, Midnight. A Black Swan is not ” a long string of losses ” but a single catastrophic event which the recipient did not expect . I was wrong to get sucked into your long string of losses . Chingy won’t be surprised if it hits him because he has said that it may happen . He has also admitted that he has already been hit by it and lost but he is still in profit . And that , dear naysayers, is what gambling is about - winning more than you lose. So you AP guys keep telling him what he already knows.
You have previously admitted that Chingy could win from now to the end of his betting life ” if he was lucky “.Houston. too. says he could but it would be “a rare event “. So isn’t it a contradiction of these opinions to still maintain that the casino will “eventually” take back all his profits - and his bankroll ?
You naysayers should get real and understand that the Long Run argument is an Expectation not a Certainty. And basically that is what you and Houston yourselves say when you allow that someone MIGHT win ! Both you and he got a bloody nose when you challenged someone else who posted his calculations. So, lighten up guys , lighten up and understand that NO ONE can foretell what an uncertain future holds for us.
That way others may be tempted to put forward their ideas without them being trashed by naysayers .

So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

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Posted: 03 December 2014 05:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

And that. guys, is what passes for an intelligent remark in the AP camp. And from a guy who says you cannot win betting with a method and then contradicts that by praising Houston’s Last Five Numbers Method ! The silly ass doesn’t know that I can prove that I have been betting in real casinos for years .heheheh indeed !

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Posted: 04 December 2014 11:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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VB Meister - 03 December 2014 02:38 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 09:30 AM
The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

You still can’t see the wood for the trees, Midnight. A Black Swan is not ” a long string of losses ” but a single catastrophic event which the recipient did not expect . I was wrong to get sucked into your long string of losses . Chingy won’t be surprised if it hits him because he has said that it may happen . He has also admitted that he has already been hit by it and lost but he is still in profit . And that , dear naysayers, is what gambling is about - winning more than you lose. So you AP guys keep telling him what he already knows.
You have previously admitted that Chingy could win from now to the end of his betting life ” if he was lucky “.Houston. too. says he could but it would be “a rare event “. So isn’t it a contradiction of these opinions to still maintain that the casino will “eventually” take back all his profits - and his bankroll ?

So long as we’re splitting hairs let’s split all of them, shall we?

1. “A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .  And it depends upon the observer .”  While it is not immediately obvious from Louie’s (aka Chingy711) post on 02 December 2014 at 06:30 PM I assume you (scepticus) wrote this.  If that is so then the definition of “Black Swan” appears to be a moving target.  Two days ago it could be a string of losses; today it is not a string of anything, but only a single something.

2. Two days ago a Black Swan could produce either a positive or negative result (as perceived by the recipient); today the result is “catastrophic”, which implies negative only.

3. At least for the moment whether or not a Black Swan has been encountered depends on how surprised the recipient is by it.  Is not what constitutes an “event” also defined by the person experiencing it?  In a roulette context how many spins constitute an “event”?  Would you expect the same answer from all players?  Come to think of it, if you did get the same answer from every player at a table would this be a Black Swan?

4. The definition of “Black Swan” is what is hiding the forest to which I alluded, so let’s set that aside.  The point I was making to roulettPro1 was that it is not how often but how much a strategy wins or loses that matters to the casino.

5. One more time: if you play a negative expectation game long enough you will lose.  Therefore players who are lifetime winners simply have not played “long enough”.  Louie, who seems to have gotten sucked into this iteration of the debate through no fault of his own, is a lifetime winner; therefore he has not played long enough.  He may well not live long enough to play long enough, and he therefore could die a lifetime winner.  All that shows is what you (scepticus) are very fond of saying: that for any finite future time period probability theory can only give us what is expected and how confident we can be that what actually happens will conform to that expectation.

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Posted: 04 December 2014 12:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 04 December 2014 11:33 AM
VB Meister - 03 December 2014 02:38 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 09:30 AM
The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

You still can’t see the wood for the trees, Midnight. A Black Swan is not ” a long string of losses ” but a single catastrophic event which the recipient did not expect . I was wrong to get sucked into your long string of losses . Chingy won’t be surprised if it hits him because he has said that it may happen . He has also admitted that he has already been hit by it and lost but he is still in profit . And that , dear naysayers, is what gambling is about - winning more than you lose. So you AP guys keep telling him what he already knows.
You have previously admitted that Chingy could win from now to the end of his betting life ” if he was lucky “.Houston. too. says he could but it would be “a rare event “. So isn’t it a contradiction of these opinions to still maintain that the casino will “eventually” take back all his profits - and his bankroll ?

So long as we’re splitting hairs let’s split all of them, shall we?

1. “A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .  And it depends upon the observer .”  While it is not immediately obvious from Louie’s (aka Chingy711) post on 02 December 2014 at 06:30 PM I assume you (scepticus) wrote this.  If that is so then the definition of “Black Swan” appears to be a moving target.  Two days ago it could be a string of losses; today it is not a string of anything, but only a single something.

2. Two days ago a Black Swan could produce either a positive or negative result (as perceived by the recipient); today the result is “catastrophic”, which implies negative only.

3. At least for the moment whether or not a Black Swan has been encountered depends on how surprised the recipient is by it.  Is not what constitutes an “event” also defined by the person experiencing it?  In a roulette context how many spins constitute an “event”?  Would you expect the same answer from all players?  Come to think of it, if you did get the same answer from every player at a table would this be a Black Swan?

4. The definition of “Black Swan” is what is hiding the forest to which I alluded, so let’s set that aside.  The point I was making to roulettPro1 was that it is not how often but how much a strategy wins or loses that matters to the casino.

5. One more time: if you play a negative expectation game long enough you will lose.  Therefore players who are lifetime winners simply have not played “long enough”.  Louie, who seems to have gotten sucked into this iteration of the debate through no fault of his own, is a lifetime winner; therefore he has not played long enough.  He may well not live long enough to play long enough, and he therefore could die a lifetime winner.  All that shows is what you (scepticus) are very fond of saying: that for any finite future time period probability theory can only give us what is expected and how confident we can be that what actually happens will conform to that expectation.

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  The key word is “YET”. But it is still my decision to how far I will
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  Isn’t it just enough that I have been fortunte up to now?

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Posted: 04 December 2014 12:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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scepticus - 03 December 2014 05:02 PM

So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

And that. guys, is what passes for an intelligent remark in the AP camp. And from a guy who says you cannot win betting with a method and then contradicts that by praising Houston’s Last Five Numbers Method ! The silly ass doesn’t know that I can prove that I have been betting in real casinos for years .heheheh indeed !

pretty much what I expected from you…..  no surprises there. yet…. you still have not answered the question.So…... plese do.

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Posted: 04 December 2014 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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The Midnight Skulker - 04 December 2014 11:33 AM
VB Meister - 03 December 2014 02:38 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 09:30 AM
The Midnight Skulker - 03 December 2014 12:33 AM

Anybody know if there’s a forest around here?  I can’t see a damn thing through all these trees.

You still can’t see the wood for the trees, Midnight. A Black Swan is not ” a long string of losses ” but a single catastrophic event which the recipient did not expect . I was wrong to get sucked into your long string of losses . Chingy won’t be surprised if it hits him because he has said that it may happen . He has also admitted that he has already been hit by it and lost but he is still in profit . And that , dear naysayers, is what gambling is about - winning more than you lose. So you AP guys keep telling him what he already knows.
You have previously admitted that Chingy could win from now to the end of his betting life ” if he was lucky “.Houston. too. says he could but it would be “a rare event “. So isn’t it a contradiction of these opinions to still maintain that the casino will “eventually” take back all his profits - and his bankroll ?

So long as we’re splitting hairs let’s split all of them, shall we?

1. “A Black Swan , Midnight, is not a rare string of losses as you seem to think . It is an unexpected rare event which can be a string of losses OR a string profits such as Chingy is experiencing with his Ching - a -Ling strategy. It is simply an unexpected event .  And it depends upon the observer .”  While it is not immediately obvious from Louie’s (aka Chingy711) post on 02 December 2014 at 06:30 PM I assume you (scepticus) wrote this.  If that is so then the definition of “Black Swan” appears to be a moving target.  Two days ago it could be a string of losses; today it is not a string of anything, but only a single something.

2. Two days ago a Black Swan could produce either a positive or negative result (as perceived by the recipient); today the result is “catastrophic”, which implies negative only.

3. At least for the moment whether or not a Black Swan has been encountered depends on how surprised the recipient is by it.  Is not what constitutes an “event” also defined by the person experiencing it?  In a roulette context how many spins constitute an “event”?  Would you expect the same answer from all players?  Come to think of it, if you did get the same answer from every player at a table would this be a Black Swan?

4. The definition of “Black Swan” is what is hiding the forest to which I alluded, so let’s set that aside.  The point I was making to roulettPro1 was that it is not how often but how much a strategy wins or loses that matters to the casino.

5. One more time: if you play a negative expectation game long enough you will lose.  Therefore players who are lifetime winners simply have not played “long enough”.  Louie, who seems to have gotten sucked into this iteration of the debate through no fault of his own, is a lifetime winner; therefore he has not played long enough.  He may well not live long enough to play long enough, and he therefore could die a lifetime winner.  All that shows is what you (scepticus) are very fond of saying: that for any finite future time period probability theory can only give us what is expected and how confident we can be that what actually happens will conform to that expectation.


Let me cut to the chase, Midnight .. and answer your latest post .
1 ) I think that I corrected that in my last post .It is NOT a string of losses but the CATASTROPHIC EVENT that follows it. In Chingy’s case it is the event that you keep predicting for him.
2) A catastrophe need not be a “negative” event. For the turkey it is a negative event but not for the butcher. Same event- different viewpoints.
3)  I don’t agree that an event is defined by anyone .It is simply something that has happened .We can view that event differently but we cannot change it.  I don’t understand your roulette “event” so please clarify.
4 ) I agree with you there - and it matters to the bettor too !
I don’t agree with Roulettepro either. I have always maintained that no one can guarantee a profit or a loss such as you and he do . He has all the upside but no downside. His team bet their money and win while he picks up his 25% fee
5 ) Thanks for agreeing with me that the Long Run is only an expectation . Roulette is a negative expectation game but so also is Craps which you play so isn’t it a case of the pot calling the kettle black ? Gambling may not be a rational thing to do but it is about trying to beat the odds so isn’t it silly to criticise gamblers in a gambling forum who try to do just that ?

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Posted: 04 December 2014 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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VB Meister - 04 December 2014 12:30 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 05:02 PM

So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

And that. guys, is what passes for an intelligent remark in the AP camp. And from a guy who says you cannot win betting with a method and then contradicts that by praising Houston’s Last Five Numbers Method ! The silly ass doesn’t know that I can prove that I have been betting in real casinos for years .heheheh indeed !

pretty much what I expected from you…..  no surprises there. yet…. you still have not answered the question.So…... plese do.

I have previously given my view of the Long run VB. It is that it in the real world of gambling it is largely irrelevant because no one can tell how long it is. No one ! If memory serves me right I used the word “fictitious”.
All the Long Run can mean is that because roulette is a “negative expectation game” you are LIKELY to lose and not the CERTAINTY that you naysayers claim. Get it ?
Like you I really do play roulette so why can’t you allow me to play it my way while you play it yours without your perennial trashing of others opinions because it differs from yours ?

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Posted: 04 December 2014 08:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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VB Meister - 04 December 2014 12:30 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 05:02 PM

So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

And that. guys, is what passes for an intelligent remark in the AP camp. And from a guy who says you cannot win betting with a method and then contradicts that by praising Houston’s Last Five Numbers Method ! The silly ass doesn’t know that I can prove that I have been betting in real casinos for years .heheheh indeed !

pretty much what I expected from you…..  no surprises there. yet…. you still have not answered the question.So…... plese do.

I have previously given my view of the Long run VB. It is that it in the real world of gambling it is largely irrelevant because no one can tell how long it is. No one ! If memory serves me right I used the word “fictitious”.
All the Long Run can mean is that because roulette is a “negative expectation game” you are LIKELY to lose and not the CERTAINTY that you naysayers claim. Get it ?
Like you I really do play roulette so why can’t you allow me to play it my way while you play it yours without your perennial trashing of others opinions because it differs from yours ?

Yea.  I agree that only the player playing knows what his system does for him. Whether is VB or math system. However here is the situation I encounter yesterday in the Twin River casino. I went 2 pm and playing hit and run with $5 cash chips,  I managed to win some money ), but not enough to justify a 2 hour drive and to recover my $20 gas expenses. it didn’t take long for all 5 open roulettes to have enough players around them. The result was that for the next 8 hours I could not place a single bet, being an outsider with $5 cash chips, and playing only when I thought it was the right time (you can call that a trigger.).
8 hours watching myself helplessly not being able to place a bet. WHY? They don’t allow a player to make inside bets, if another player is already using those cash chips. And conveniently they don’t have $10 cash chips. You have to use two $5’s, but that doesn’t help if someone else is playing with $5’s. And they are a lot of those players. Reason being that they can run after a win. Where the color chips player is stuck on his chair for the long haul. The next available cash chip denomination is $25, which is prohibitive for most players unless they have $10,000 BR to risk. To make the story short I decided to get color chips, so I can have the chance to bet if an opportunity arose. Well, for one thing it took too long to get from one spin to the next (too many players betting and too long to pay their wins), So waiting for a trigger was impossible unless I waited for an hour, not playing. But I couldn’t stand the looks of the dealer or the pit boss, looking at me waiting to bet. So I was obligated to bet a lot more often, though it wasn’t the right thing to do. The result, I lost my winnings plus a little out of my pocket, because I was forced to play like a gambler. Betting numbers and expecting my good luck to do the rest.
So the issue here is what good is to have a winning system if you can’t play it. if someone else using the same cash chips, or if you get colored chips and have to bet more often that you should.
Color chips is a death sentence. Imagine getting 5 stacks of colored chips making 2-3 bets and then push them to the dealer, after winning, asking for an exchange? How many times can you do that? each time getting the dirtiest looks from both dealer and pit boss and other players too, that you have to delay the game for that exchange? Not many times. So here is a well crafted counter measure that the casino uses to block system players out of the betting process. And that includes AP or VB players as well because I’m sure that not every spin is a playable spin for them either. Maybe I have to find a time when very few players are present, and hopefully all of them don’t use cash chips for inside bets. Or find a casino that allows more than one player to use cash chips, like a certain casino I was playing at in Europe. Even 3 or more players could bet with cash chips even inside bets.
Any problem of more than one person claiming a cash bet win could be solved with a brief look at the camera. So forcing you to buy in colored chips and blocking most players to use cash chips for a hit and run style of betting assures a casino profits for years to come. That leaves EC’s betting and dozen column betting systems as the only practical option. Any other option is seriously limited as you cannot always place a bet when you are ready.

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Posted: 04 December 2014 08:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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palestis - 04 December 2014 08:27 PM
scepticus - 04 December 2014 03:00 PM
VB Meister - 04 December 2014 12:30 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 05:02 PM

So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

And that. guys, is what passes for an intelligent remark in the AP camp. And from a guy who says you cannot win betting with a method and then contradicts that by praising Houston’s Last Five Numbers Method ! The silly ass doesn’t know that I can prove that I have been betting in real casinos for years .heheheh indeed !

pretty much what I expected from you…..  no surprises there. yet…. you still have not answered the question.So…... plese do.

I have previously given my view of the Long run VB. It is that it in the real world of gambling it is largely irrelevant because no one can tell how long it is. No one ! If memory serves me right I used the word “fictitious”.
All the Long Run can mean is that because roulette is a “negative expectation game” you are LIKELY to lose and not the CERTAINTY that you naysayers claim. Get it ?
Like you I really do play roulette so why can’t you allow me to play it my way while you play it yours without your perennial trashing of others opinions because it differs from yours ?

Yea.  I agree that only the player playing knows what his system does for him. Whether is VB or math system. However here is the situation I encounter yesterday in the Twin River casino. I went 2 pm and playing hit and run with $5 cash chips,  I managed to win some money ), but not enough to justify a 2 hour drive and to recover my $20 gas expenses. it didn’t take long for all 5 open roulettes to have enough players around them. The result was that for the next 8 hours I could not place a single bet, being an outsider with $5 cash chips, and playing only when I thought it was the right time (you can call that a trigger.).
8 hours watching myself helplessly not being able to place a bet. WHY? They don’t allow a player to make inside bets, if another player is already using those cash chips. And conveniently they don’t have $10 cash chips. You have to use two $5’s, but that doesn’t help if someone else is playing with $5’s. And they are a lot of those players. Reason being that they can run after a win. Where the color chips player is stuck on his chair for the long haul. The next available cash chip denomination is $25, which is prohibitive for most players unless they have $10,000 BR to risk. To make the story short I decided to get color chips, so I can have the chance to bet if an opportunity arose. Well, for one thing it took too long to get from one spin to the next (too many players betting and too long to pay their wins), So waiting for a trigger was impossible unless I waited for an hour, not playing. But I couldn’t stand the looks of the dealer or the pit boss, looking at me waiting to bet. So I was obligated to bet a lot more often, though it wasn’t the right thing to do. The result, I lost my winnings plus a little out of my pocket, because I was forced to play like a gambler. Betting numbers and expecting my good luck to do the rest.
So the issue here is what good is to have a winning system if you can’t play it. if someone else using the same cash chips, or if you get colored chips and have to bet more often that you should.
Color chips is a death sentence. Imagine getting 5 stacks of colored chips making 2-3 bets and then push them to the dealer, after winning, asking for an exchange? How many times can you do that? each time getting the dirtiest looks from both dealer and pit boss and other players too, that you have to delay the game for that exchange? Not many times. So here is a well crafted counter measure that the casino uses to block system players out of the betting process. And that includes AP or VB players as well because I’m sure that not every spin is a playable spin for them either. Maybe I have to find a time when very few players are present, and hopefully all of them don’t use cash chips for inside bets. Or find a casino that allows more than one player to use cash chips, like a certain casino I was playing at in Europe. Even 3 or more players could bet with cash chips even inside bets.
Any problem of more than one person claiming a cash bet win could be solved with a brief look at the camera. So forcing you to buy in colored chips and blocking most players to use cash chips for a hit and run style of betting assures a casino profits for years to come. That leaves EC’s betting and dozen column betting systems as the only practical option. Any other option is seriously limited as you cannot always place a bet when you are ready.


I can understand the casino’s point of view here.If 2 or more players use cash chips on the layout and they dispute who placed the winning bet then playing time is lost.Time for a casino means money. You can play a dozen by placing one chip on both of the sixlines ( double-streets ).This should help to minimise loss until your Trigger appears.
” Patience is a virtue
Possess it if you can
It’s often in a woman
But seldom in a man !  ”

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Posted: 05 December 2014 02:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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scepticus - 04 December 2014 08:55 PM
palestis - 04 December 2014 08:27 PM
scepticus - 04 December 2014 03:00 PM
VB Meister - 04 December 2014 12:30 PM
scepticus - 03 December 2014 05:02 PM

So honestly Sceptass…. what is your longrun like? Oh yes that is right… you haven’tplayed in a real casino yet. hehehehehehehehehe

And that. guys, is what passes for an intelligent remark in the AP camp. And from a guy who says you cannot win betting with a method and then contradicts that by praising Houston’s Last Five Numbers Method ! The silly ass doesn’t know that I can prove that I have been betting in real casinos for years .heheheh indeed !

pretty much what I expected from you…..  no surprises there. yet…. you still have not answered the question.So…... plese do.

I have previously given my view of the Long run VB. It is that it in the real world of gambling it is largely irrelevant because no one can tell how long it is. No one ! If memory serves me right I used the word “fictitious”.
All the Long Run can mean is that because roulette is a “negative expectation game” you are LIKELY to lose and not the CERTAINTY that you naysayers claim. Get it ?
Like you I really do play roulette so why can’t you allow me to play it my way while you play it yours without your perennial trashing of others opinions because it differs from yours ?

Yea.  I agree that only the player playing knows what his system does for him. Whether is VB or math system. However here is the situation I encounter yesterday in the Twin River casino. I went 2 pm and playing hit and run with $5 cash chips,  I managed to win some money ), but not enough to justify a 2 hour drive and to recover my $20 gas expenses. it didn’t take long for all 5 open roulettes to have enough players around them. The result was that for the next 8 hours I could not place a single bet, being an outsider with $5 cash chips, and playing only when I thought it was the right time (you can call that a trigger.).
8 hours watching myself helplessly not being able to place a bet. WHY? They don’t allow a player to make inside bets, if another player is already using those cash chips. And conveniently they don’t have $10 cash chips. You have to use two $5’s, but that doesn’t help if someone else is playing with $5’s. And they are a lot of those players. Reason being that they can run after a win. Where the color chips player is stuck on his chair for the long haul. The next available cash chip denomination is $25, which is prohibitive for most players unless they have $10,000 BR to risk. To make the story short I decided to get color chips, so I can have the chance to bet if an opportunity arose. Well, for one thing it took too long to get from one spin to the next (too many players betting and too long to pay their wins), So waiting for a trigger was impossible unless I waited for an hour, not playing. But I couldn’t stand the looks of the dealer or the pit boss, looking at me waiting to bet. So I was obligated to bet a lot more often, though it wasn’t the right thing to do. The result, I lost my winnings plus a little out of my pocket, because I was forced to play like a gambler. Betting numbers and expecting my good luck to do the rest.
So the issue here is what good is to have a winning system if you can’t play it. if someone else using the same cash chips, or if you get colored chips and have to bet more often that you should.
Color chips is a death sentence. Imagine getting 5 stacks of colored chips making 2-3 bets and then push them to the dealer, after winning, asking for an exchange? How many times can you do that? each time getting the dirtiest looks from both dealer and pit boss and other players too, that you have to delay the game for that exchange? Not many times. So here is a well crafted counter measure that the casino uses to block system players out of the betting process. And that includes AP or VB players as well because I’m sure that not every spin is a playable spin for them either. Maybe I have to find a time when very few players are present, and hopefully all of them don’t use cash chips for inside bets. Or find a casino that allows more than one player to use cash chips, like a certain casino I was playing at in Europe. Even 3 or more players could bet with cash chips even inside bets.
Any problem of more than one person claiming a cash bet win could be solved with a brief look at the camera. So forcing you to buy in colored chips and blocking most players to use cash chips for a hit and run style of betting assures a casino profits for years to come. That leaves EC’s betting and dozen column betting systems as the only practical option. Any other option is seriously limited as you cannot always place a bet when you are ready.


I can understand the casino’s point of view here.If 2 or more players use cash chips on the layout and they dispute who placed the winning bet then playing time is lost.Time for a casino means money. You can play a dozen by placing one chip on both of the sixlines ( double-streets ).This should help to minimise loss until your Trigger appears.
” Patience is a virtue
Possess it if you can
It’s often in a woman
But seldom in a man !  “

Over here DS’s are considered inside bets. If you meant to say get color chips and play 2 DS’s until a trigger appears it doesn’t work. Because the minimum is $10. So you have to risk $10 for a long time on each bet, until the trigger shows up. Then if you add up the lost $10 by the failed 2 DS’s when the trigger appears, the system that you play has to take into account the money lost on decoy bets, into the bet structure. So that you recover it all plus your intended profit from the system. I have plenty of patience, but what good is it if when the time to bet comes and I’m not allowed to bet because someone else is using cash chips. (that is if I’m standing by with cash chips and not a participant with color chips). Most likely the best thing to do, while waiting for the trigger,  is to play 6 DS’s (that is if you get color chips), and keep getting your money back except when 0,00 strikes. The casino knows its vulnerability to hit and run players that wait outside patiently and only strike when it’s the right time. Then withdraw and wait patiently for another round. They want players with color chips betting every spin not only to pay up the HE on every spin but to eventually lose every chip they have in front of them.  I have been in casinos where they allow many players with cash chips to play at the same time and usually there is never a problem, as every player knows what he bets on. And I don’t mean betting on numbers with cash chips. Someone may bet on numbers, but if I want to bet on Quads or DS’s, how is that going to get confused with another player who bets only on numbers? Over here they do it on purpose to block the patient player type, not only because he has many more chance to win, but he will also stop after a win, therefore they have no chance to get their money back as they have with the color chips player who plays constantly even after he wins some rounds. It is a well designed countermeasure where they block the outsiders, and they only deal with the constantly betting players. And we all know what their fate is. Winning some today, they will eventually return it to the casino in another day plus more out of their pocket. At least in Texas Holdem you can fold fold fold for as long as you like until the right conditions appear. Also why don’t they have $10 chips? If they did then I can bet $10 cash chips if another player plays with $5’s. Because they look different. But they jump from $5 to $25. Because they know playing with $25’s in not for the average player. All European casinos have 10 euro chips, denominations, over here they don’t. I wonder y. Also when you win a big bet with color chips they try to pay you with as many stacks of chips as possible and avoid giving you black and green chips. Because they know you will stick those in your pocket, and if you get enough of them you might even get out of the game. Where having skyscrapers of colored chips in front of you, you get tempted to bet more of them thinking that you can build them even higher. They have all the psychological factors worked out in the game structure. UNLESS YOU ARE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN AS AN ALLIGATOR LOOKING FOR PREY, your fate is sealed when you take a seat with all those stacks of colored chips.
So for me that leaves one choice only if I want to be an outside player, and bet only when things are in my favor. Bet EC’s and Dozens and columns. That’s the only bets allowed to play with cash chips if another players is using the same chips. As far as I’m concerned there is no winning system or there will ever be, if a player is betting all spins. A system is only effective if you are allowed to skip as many spins as you need to, until the trigger shows up. Constant betting is equal to a death sentence for your bank roll.

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Posted: 05 December 2014 12:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Here in the U.K., palestis , the coloured chips are usually £1 and you need only bet one chip per spin .The ECs are usually £10 so betting 2 chips on the double -streets is much cheaper if you feel you must bet which you did . Midweek they have 50p coloured chips .Higher minimum tables exist but there are few of them.
In the rip-off USA you don’t have the options we have but if you want to bet you need to accept the given conditions .
I sometimes need to wait before betting but I don’t let the croupiers or pit -boss bug me.

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