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Posted: 05 December 2014 08:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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I sometimes need to wait before betting but I don’t let the croupiers or pit -boss bug me.-Scepticus

I believe the above quote from Scepticus effectively demonstrates his inexperience, and poor comprehension of basic probability.

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Posted: 05 December 2014 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Houston - 05 December 2014 08:18 PM

I sometimes need to wait before betting but I don’t let the croupiers or pit -boss bug me.-Scepticus

I believe the above quote from Scepticus effectively demonstrates his inexperience, and poor comprehension of basic probability.

A typical response from the AP planet .I do know that Basic Probability does not deal with certainty as you claim, kid.
You ” believe” lots of things don’t you .
You believe that no one can win using a method but believe that YOUR method works.
You believe that if one colour is ahead it remains ahead.
You believe that we don’t understand Probability Theory and then prove that it is you who doesn’t properly understand it.
You believe that the best strategy is to run and hide when someone gives you an answer that you cannot rebut.
You believe that you have extra-sensory perception when you tell me I have not been betting as long as I have
You believe that an AP player needs to have played in all the casinos in the USA before he can claim to be a proper AP player.
You believe that by using different usernames you can post any nonsense you wish.
You believe that you are a Games Expert with access to super -duper computers.
You believe that   members here don’t recognise bullshit when you post it- unless you copy material from the internet.   

And you probably believe in Father Christmas.

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Posted: 06 December 2014 12:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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scepticus - 05 December 2014 11:07 PM
Houston - 05 December 2014 08:18 PM

I sometimes need to wait before betting but I don’t let the croupiers or pit -boss bug me.-Scepticus

I believe the above quote from Scepticus effectively demonstrates his inexperience, and poor comprehension of basic probability.

A typical response from the AP planet .I do know that Basic Probability does not deal with certainty as you claim, kid.
You ” believe” lots of things don’t you .
You believe that no one can win using a method but believe that YOUR method works.
You believe that if one colour is ahead it remains ahead.
You believe that we don’t understand Probability Theory and then prove that it is you who doesn’t properly understand it.
You believe that the best strategy is to run and hide when someone gives you an answer that you cannot rebut.
You believe that you have extra-sensory perception when you tell me I have not been betting as long as I have
You believe that an AP player needs to have played in all the casinos in the USA before he can claim to be a proper AP player.
You believe that by using different usernames you can post any nonsense you wish.
You believe that you are a Games Expert with access to super -duper computers.
You believe that   members here don’t recognise bullshit when you post it- unless you copy material from the internet.   

And you probably believe in Father Christmas.

What? Santa isn’t real? Shit!

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Posted: 06 December 2014 05:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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scepticus - 05 December 2014 12:47 PM

Here in the U.K., palestis , the coloured chips are usually £1 and you need only bet one chip per spin .The ECs are usually £10 so betting 2 chips on the double -streets is much cheaper if you feel you must bet which you did . Midweek they have 50p coloured chips .Higher minimum tables exist but there are few of them.
In the rip-off USA you don’t have the options we have but if you want to bet you need to accept the given conditions .
I sometimes need to wait before betting but I don’t let the croupiers or pit -boss bug me.

There you go. Many advantages for the player on top if the single 0. Yes here the chips are $1 too, but if you need to bet inside you have to place 10 of them, to satisfy the $10 minimum. So 2 DSs cannot be bet with $2. You need to put $5 and $5. Which adds up if you want to pretend that you are active at the table. If you only need to put $1 for an inside bet where you are, there are a million things you can do to buy time without any substantial risk. Reminds me of betting minimum while you count cards in BJ.
Then when the time comes you do what you have to do. So the only choice for me is to be on the outside. But if someone is using cash chips , then, I can’t bet even a DS or a quad with cash chips. So I have to wait for the chance to bet plus make sure that nobody else is using cash chips when I move in. Which means I have to spend a lot more time, or go at a time when very few players are active.

You guys are so lucky to have all these favorable conditions on your side.

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Posted: 06 December 2014 11:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Palestis,

The fact that you and Scepticus are so concerned about the table min. says a great deal about your systems/methods.

Furthermore, the fact that you guys don’t bet on every spin… as you wait for your triggers… demonstrates your inexperience and poor understanding of basic probability.

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Posted: 06 December 2014 12:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Houston - 06 December 2014 11:24 AM

Palestis,

The fact that you and Scepticus are so concerned about the table min. says a great deal about your systems/methods.

Furthermore, the fact that you guys don’t bet on every spin… as you wait for your triggers… demonstrates your inexperience and poor understanding of basic probability.

You are a balloon, Houston. A balloon being something that is full of hot air and little else.
( there ! that’s a one-liner )

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Posted: 06 December 2014 02:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Scepticus,

My point is if you’re system is so good, then why is the table min. so important to you?

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Posted: 06 December 2014 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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Table Min and max definitely affect the “Chance” and “capital” of an A P player…the less the min the better as this will cause less Capital needed,

if a table limit is 1 cent/penny then 1 unit is only $0.01 and even grand Martingale can stretched more rounds to hit Max table limit.. enhance the chance of success and the capital bankroll smaller..to hv safe wins

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Posted: 06 December 2014 08:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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roulettPro1 - 06 December 2014 07:52 PM

Table Min and max definitely affect the “Chance” and “capital” of an A P player…the less the min the better as this will cause less Capital needed,

if a table limit is 1 cent/penny then 1 unit is only $0.01 and even grand Martingale can stretched more rounds to hit Max table limit.. enhance the chance of success and the capital bankroll smaller..to hv safe wins

Again…. What do you mean by AP? I do not believe you grasp what an AP is.

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Posted: 06 December 2014 08:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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roulettPro1 - 06 December 2014 07:52 PM

Table Min and max definitely affect the “Chance” and “capital” of an A P player…the less the min the better as this will cause less Capital needed,

if a table limit is 1 cent/penny then 1 unit is only $0.01 and even grand Martingale can stretched more rounds to hit Max table limit.. enhance the chance of success and the capital bankroll smaller..to hv safe wins

l already lost count of your stupid posts!!! With grand marty starting with 1 cent how many years you will spend to make a profit. The guy who sent you to collect empty soda canes gave you deccent job proposal wink.

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Posted: 06 December 2014 08:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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Houston - 06 December 2014 11:24 AM

Palestis,

The fact that you and Scepticus are so concerned about the table min. says a great deal about your systems/methods.

Furthermore, the fact that you guys don’t bet on every spin… as you wait for your triggers… demonstrates your inexperience and poor understanding of basic probability.

What does the minimum have to do with experience. A system player has to make some bets sometimes to pretend that he is active, if he gets color chips. And the minimum doesn’t matter? Should I show betting activity by betting with $100 chips? Or is it more wise to bet with the minimum possible? What do you think?
However there is a big problem now. As I took some time off, to explore the VB side,  and lets say I decided to become a VB player, I’m in trouble. Here is a well known author and player named LS.
He went to a casino and tried to clock the wheel, and got kicked out before he even tried to play, before he even had the chance to win $1.  And judging by his own words he was asked to leave by several casinos.
What is that? You have a winning method but it looks like they don’t want you there. And if some casinos are nice enough to let you clock the wheel, will they be nice enough to let you win for the years to come?
This is very serious. Unless you guys have a private jet that flies you to Las Vegas, then Atlantic City, then Monte Carlo, then London, and back again. That way you are not a regular in the same casino every day. I can’t believe they asked him to leave before he even had the chance to win $1. I understand that there are ways to cover your tracks, but for how long? A winning method should be a money making machine for many years, if not for a life time. If this method has a very short expiration date, then what good is it?

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Posted: 06 December 2014 09:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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Houston - 06 December 2014 02:50 PM

Scepticus,

My point is if you’re system is so good, then why is the table min. so important to you?

The table limit is not important to me ,Houston. I was merely suggesting to Palestis that if he had to wait before betting and he was being ” hassled ” by the casino staff.  then he could reduce his outlay by reducing his stakes. As he pointed out , If you had read his post , he doesn’t have the options that we in th u.k.  have.
You are too fixated in your view that a HE means that that the HE cannot be beat . That is a fallacious view. All gambling is about trying to beat the HE .
And you haven’t denied your ” BELIEFS ” . Why not ?

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Posted: 07 December 2014 12:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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palestis - 06 December 2014 08:55 PM
Houston - 06 December 2014 11:24 AM

Palestis,

The fact that you and Scepticus are so concerned about the table min. says a great deal about your systems/methods.

Furthermore, the fact that you guys don’t bet on every spin… as you wait for your triggers… demonstrates your inexperience and poor understanding of basic probability.

What does the minimum have to do with experience. A system player has to make some bets sometimes to pretend that he is active, if he gets color chips. And the minimum doesn’t matter? Should I show betting activity by betting with $100 chips? Or is it more wise to bet with the minimum possible? What do you think?
However there is a big problem now. As I took some time off, to explore the VB side,  and lets say I decided to become a VB player, I’m in trouble. Here is a well known author and player named LS.
He went to a casino and tried to clock the wheel, and got kicked out before he even tried to play, before he even had the chance to win $1.  And judging by his own words he was asked to leave by several casinos.
What is that? You have a winning method but it looks like they don’t want you there. And if some casinos are nice enough to let you clock the wheel, will they be nice enough to let you win for the years to come?
This is very serious. Unless you guys have a private jet that flies you to Las Vegas, then Atlantic City, then Monte Carlo, then London, and back again. That way you are not a regular in the same casino every day. I can’t believe they asked him to leave before he even had the chance to win $1. I understand that there are ways to cover your tracks, but for how long? A winning method should be a money making machine for many years, if not for a life time. If this method has a very short expiration date, then what good is it?

Thats why you have to use high variance style of betting and do not scream about your abilityes in casino. Predict earlier . Behave like system bettor.. make camouflage betting based on some winning method. AP methods have sims not limits to your personal evolution. Study game to know it better then these who serves it. They are not that intelegent wink. Your expirience in system play will help you in AP ways. Even to invent systems, you need to posses some intelegence, if you get an edge, moust of loosing systems become winning ones. You just gonna bett on sectors instead of rendom groops like colors and numbers.  Patience is the must in both, system play and AP ways. You already know how to look like a system player… just be yourself and apply your hiden new abilities wink

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Posted: 07 December 2014 01:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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sergiy - 06 December 2014 08:20 PM
roulettPro1 - 06 December 2014 07:52 PM

Table Min and max definitely affect the “Chance” and “capital” of an A P player…the less the min the better as this will cause less Capital needed,

if a table limit is 1 cent/penny then 1 unit is only $0.01 and even grand Martingale can stretched more rounds to hit Max table limit.. enhance the chance of success and the capital bankroll smaller..to hv safe wins

l already lost count of your stupid posts!!! With grand marty starting with 1 cent how many years you will spend to make a profit. The guy who sent you to collect empty soda canes gave you deccent job proposal wink.


With grand marty starting with 1 cent how many years you will spend to make a profit. The guy who sent you to collect empty soda canes gave you deccent job proposal wink.

OK let me tell U… 1 spin is about 30 to 45 sec so made it 60 sec (i min) or even made it 50 spin per hour…
if U even play Grand Martingale system and did not broke Ur bankroll.. Ur WINNING WILL BE 0.50 (0.01 PER SPIN) per hour to be on conservative side…U still make $ 12 daily….so if U write a program to squeeze the time 10 X , U win $120 daily…...This is my calculation presentation ONLY… why U go and talk “shit” this way like an extremist, criticise for criticise sake?, like an opposition politician has no issue so go and create petty issue?

My main point is to use such example to show the relationship of min bet and max bet that affect the A P player using such easy to understand as example, I did not say , I want U to play GM this way using 1 cent or go collecting empty cans…WTF…

That’s why I can only tell that in Malaysia there’s only 2 tables with RM 2 min( 200 Malaysian cent) play which still can afford 3K capital and win average 1K per hour..this imply that if U hv 1 cent table, Ur capital need is proportional and will be 3000/200 = $15 to be 99.999% safety factor…(probability)

Yes so? go collecting $15 worth of soda can Servig ... then U can start getting rich if Casino offer 1 cent min play…if U find one…WTF twist my word this way also can?!

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Posted: 07 December 2014 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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[email protected] ...  Now you purpose to ” right a programme that will sqweese the time x10” ... Wtf kind of alien are you??? Humans do not wright programmes to operate time!!! You still have a lot to lern about ways of Earth people… and while you are lerning , go to pick up empty canes as Chip- hunter told you! You need a bankroll to play this game, remember?  Lol

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