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Posted: 09 June 2013 07:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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VB Meister - 08 June 2013 10:31 AM
harryj - 08 June 2013 09:19 AM
TTBTR - 07 June 2013 03:19 PM

to roulettedealer ... and everybody else ....

ONE RULE = progression kills !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Scepticus will agree, I don’t!!!!!! Roulette is a negative expectancy game and while it is possible to ride the variance( Standard Deviations),it puts you firmly behind the 8 ball and every shot is off the cushion. (Do you play Pool in France?) A well structured progression can give the player more than enough advantage to overcome the HE. However it must be remembered that SD’s work both ways and when added to the HE form a formidable total.
    The problem is that the basic themes, Martingale, Fibonacci, Paroli, Labouchere, Alembert etc, just don’t cut it. The casino has the resources to simply wait until the player hits a freak sequence and runs into the table limit or goes broke. A good system is rarely simple. Any successfull System, Strategy, Method, must also be closely allied to target selection and money management. I also look for oportunaties to abandon the progression with the minimum of loss. Most experts advise that the bankroll should be used with courage and to the full. I’m fainthearted, at the first sign of trouble I cut my loses and head for the hills!! How do I recognize trouble? Research and practice, any sequence that looks wrong and I look for a new target or cash out. Often the trouble doesn’t occur but I’d rather be sorry with a full BR than sorry broke.
  Regards   Harry

Every spin is a new event….... This goes for everyone not just Brian. smile

Every spin IS a new event…....But the player has the choice whether to include that event in a series.  E.G. Take any 10 spins at random. Each spin is completely separate and unconnected with those that went before or come after, but it is possible to calculate mathematically how many times the 3rd dozen might be expected to occur in those 10 spins. It’s an estimate, not absolute, but that information can be used to the players advantage.
  Probability is highly complex and the greatest mathematicians this planet has ever produced have struggled to understand it. Yet you take one facet of this complex whole and claim complete authority over it all.

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Posted: 09 June 2013 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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harryj - 09 June 2013 07:12 AM
VB Meister - 08 June 2013 10:31 AM
harryj - 08 June 2013 09:19 AM
TTBTR - 07 June 2013 03:19 PM

to roulettedealer ... and everybody else ....

ONE RULE = progression kills !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Scepticus will agree, I don’t!!!!!! Roulette is a negative expectancy game and while it is possible to ride the variance( Standard Deviations),it puts you firmly behind the 8 ball and every shot is off the cushion. (Do you play Pool in France?) A well structured progression can give the player more than enough advantage to overcome the HE. However it must be remembered that SD’s work both ways and when added to the HE form a formidable total.
    The problem is that the basic themes, Martingale, Fibonacci, Paroli, Labouchere, Alembert etc, just don’t cut it. The casino has the resources to simply wait until the player hits a freak sequence and runs into the table limit or goes broke. A good system is rarely simple. Any successfull System, Strategy, Method, must also be closely allied to target selection and money management. I also look for oportunaties to abandon the progression with the minimum of loss. Most experts advise that the bankroll should be used with courage and to the full. I’m fainthearted, at the first sign of trouble I cut my loses and head for the hills!! How do I recognize trouble? Research and practice, any sequence that looks wrong and I look for a new target or cash out. Often the trouble doesn’t occur but I’d rather be sorry with a full BR than sorry broke.
  Regards   Harry

Every spin is a new event….... This goes for everyone not just Brian. smile

Every spin IS a new event…....But the player has the choice whether to include that event in a series.  E.G. Take any 10 spins at random. Each spin is completely separate and unconnected with those that went before or come after, but it is possible to calculate mathematically how many times the 3rd dozen might be expected to occur in those 10 spins. It’s an estimate, not absolute, but that information can be used to the players advantage.
  Probability is highly complex and the greatest mathematicians this planet has ever produced have struggled to understand it. Yet you take one facet of this complex whole and claim complete authority over it all.

No Harry… you claim complete authority over it. There is no way to gain an advantage looking at the last 10 spins and predicting the next ten. Harry you can gift wrap a turd…. it’s still a turd.

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Posted: 13 June 2013 04:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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VB Meister - 09 June 2013 03:52 PM

ONE RULE = progression kills !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
  VBMEISTER
Every spin is a new event….... This goes for everyone

Harry

Every spin IS a new event…....But the player has the choice whether to include that event in a series.  E.G. Take any 10 spins at random. Each spin is completely separate and unconnected with those that went before or come after, but it is possible to calculate mathematically how many times the 3rd dozen might be expected to occur in those 10 spins. It’s an estimate, not absolute, but that information can be used to the players advantage.
  Probability is highly complex and the greatest mathematicians this planet has ever produced have struggled to understand it. Yet you take one facet of this complex whole and claim complete authority over it all.

VBMEISTER

No Harry… you claim complete authority over it. There is no way to gain an advantage looking at the last 10 spins and predicting the next ten. Harry you can gift wrap a turd…. it’s still a turd.

Harry
  Sorry we have had an extended power cut(3rd World Country) I have only just had time to reply.
  VB you should read my post. I said nothing about using one series of 10 Nos to predict the next 10. I said it is possible to calculate the expectancy WITHIN any series of 10 Nos. Of course you don’t understand Probability you use AP. Perhaps we should add an E. Francis Bacon once said, ” He makes like an APE, the higher he climbs the more he shows his arse” You claim to be at the top of your tree!!!
  Learn to read properly you won’t have to wrap up all those turds.        Harry

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Posted: 13 June 2013 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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TTBTR

always have doubts on somebody who calls himself ” MEISTER” (even if it’s only for marketing reasons)
look at history

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Posted: 13 June 2013 11:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Lol, Harry. No you cannot determine with any amount of certainty what would come in 10 spins.  Tell Harry, events inbetween spins have effects on what would appear in 10 spins? Are there no effects doesn’t matter what?. What if we spun 1 spin per day for 10 days? Would you get the same so called probability as 10 dpins in a row?

 

 

 

 

harryj - 13 June 2013 04:59 AM
VB Meister - 09 June 2013 03:52 PM

ONE RULE = progression kills !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
  VBMEISTER
Every spin is a new event….... This goes for everyone

Harry

Every spin IS a new event…....But the player has the choice whether to include that event in a series.  E.G. Take any 10 spins at random. Each spin is completely separate and unconnected with those that went before or come after, but it is possible to calculate mathematically how many times the 3rd dozen might be expected to occur in those 10 spins. It’s an estimate, not absolute, but that information can be used to the players advantage.
  Probability is highly complex and the greatest mathematicians this planet has ever produced have struggled to understand it. Yet you take one facet of this complex whole and claim complete authority over it all.

VBMEISTER

No Harry… you claim complete authority over it. There is no way to gain an advantage looking at the last 10 spins and predicting the next ten. Harry you can gift wrap a turd…. it’s still a turd.

Harry
  Sorry we have had an extended power cut(3rd World Country) I have only just had time to reply.
  VB you should read my post. I said nothing about using one series of 10 Nos to predict the next 10. I said it is possible to calculate the expectancy WITHIN any series of 10 Nos. Of course you don’t understand Probability you use AP. Perhaps we should add an E. Francis Bacon once said, ” He makes like an APE, the higher he climbs the more he shows his arse” You claim to be at the top of your tree!!!
  Learn to read properly you won’t have to wrap up all those turds.        Harry

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Posted: 15 June 2013 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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LOL VB, Who said anything about certainty?? We use the term EXPECTANCY. In any 10 spins whether they be separated by 100 years the expectancy is that a dozen will appear 3+ times. Of course standard variance must be taken into account, and in such a small number of spins variance could be anything from 0-100 %. However the long term average Must be maintained otherwise the fabric of probability would fall apart. This may come as a surprise but it’s called PROBABILIY because that is the PROBABLE result.
  Not as accurate as AP perhaps but even a small percentage can add up to a profit. The reason so many players lose is because they are too lazy to use any system and rely on blind luck. Else they use a system that is simple and unsound. My experience is that workable systems are complex and require more than the basic themes.
    The important fact is that there is no certainty. Loses WILL occur and there will be times when loses clump together to cause disaster. We’re dealing with chance. thats why it’s called gambling!! Any sensible gambler makes provision, it’s called money management.      Harry

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Posted: 15 June 2013 12:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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the moment that somebody finds a system (or systems) that might overtake the house edge
(on French roulette = 2,67 % ..and ofcourse need a bit more to win) .... he/she will be a winner in the long run

well, try to find it ... I assure you, you won’t ! this in the long run .. you might win for a certain or even long period of time,
and still bump into a desastrous session, and loose everything you won before ...
or .. even more accurate , you will start loosing slowly but surely ... you will think , I can pick up again, but you won’t ....

again,
we all try to find the “perfect” way to beat the system .... and hopefully somebody might succeed (I haven’t yet)
but I don’t think so = MY IDEA, THE HOUSE EDGE CAN’T BE BEATEN in the long run

don’t forget , that over a period of 200 years, great minds have tried to do the same… and they all failed ...
        and they could also think ! they were not cave-man !

players that beated the house, did this by noticing flaws in the wheel
(look into the history = one man in the 19th century in Monaco almost banktrupted the casino ... but flaw in the wheel
than again in vegas somewhere 20 th century ..same story ..etc…)

only my personal idea… do with it what you want !

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Posted: 16 June 2013 02:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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TTBTR - 15 June 2013 12:14 PM

the moment that somebody finds a system (or systems) that might overtake the house edge
(on French roulette = 2,67 % ..and ofcourse need a bit more to win) .... he/she will be a winner in the long run

well, try to find it ... I assure you, you won’t ! this in the long run .. you might win for a certain or even long period of time,
and still bump into a desastrous session, and loose everything you won before ...
or .. even more accurate , you will start loosing slowly but surely ... you will think , I can pick up again, but you won’t ....

again,
we all try to find the “perfect” way to beat the system .... and hopefully somebody might succeed (I haven’t yet)
but I don’t think so = MY IDEA, THE HOUSE EDGE CAN’T BE BEATEN in the long run

don’t forget , that over a period of 200 years, great minds have tried to do the same… and they all failed ...
        and they could also think ! they were not cave-man !

players that beated the house, did this by noticing flaws in the wheel
(look into the history = one man in the 19th century in Monaco almost banktrupted the casino ... but flaw in the wheel
than again in vegas somewhere 20 th century ..same story ..etc…)

only my personal idea… do with it what you want !

Ttbtr…. You do bounce between system play an ap like a rubber ball. To me though one of your sensible and correct posts. Live by this post and you will be ok. smile

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Posted: 26 June 2013 12:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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You can absolutely win in the long run…with AP. You have to understand that every single spin cannot be a winner, this is something I came to terms with a long time ago. Even with a solid AP method, you stand to loose if you choose to play every single spin, and this is because as an advantage player, you should (in my opinion) be waiting for the ideal conditions to play. When I play, I wait for a paticular wheel speed before I bet, and I wont bet on any other wheel speed. This may mean that I only make a bet once in ever 20 spins or so…at the worst….but when I do, its almost always a winner. You have to be patient and wait for the ideal opportunity to present itself, and then strike. Even when you have the wheel mapped out, and the scatter figured out, and all of your ducks in a row, there will still be the oddball spin which does the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do, and you cannot account for that. All you can do is choose the most opportune time to play, and wait it out. This is the way I do it, and my profits have grown because of it. So yes, you can win in the long run if you are an astute AP player…however, it takes some patience and discipline.——Brian

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Posted: 26 June 2013 12:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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roulettedealer - 26 June 2013 12:11 AM

You can absolutely win in the long run…with AP. You have to understand that every single spin cannot be a winner, this is something I came to terms with a long time ago. Even with a solid AP method, you stand to loose if you choose to play every single spin, and this is because as an advantage player, you should (in my opinion) be waiting for the ideal conditions to play. When I play, I wait for a paticular wheel speed before I bet, and I wont bet on any other wheel speed. This may mean that I only make a bet once in ever 20 spins or so…at the worst….but when I do, its almost always a winner. You have to be patient and wait for the ideal opportunity to present itself, and then strike. Even when you have the wheel mapped out, and the scatter figured out, and all of your ducks in a row, there will still be the oddball spin which does the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do, and you cannot account for that. All you can do is choose the most opportune time to play, and wait it out. This is the way I do it, and my profits have grown because of it. So yes, you can win in the long run if you are an astute AP player…however, it takes some patience and discipline.——Brian

100% correct. There are easier wheeels to beat than others and I agree with playing the correct conditions. Some wheels are ridiculously easy whereas others the edge is just too small. I like easy profits smile

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Posted: 26 June 2013 08:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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VB Meister,

Are you in the US?

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Posted: 28 June 2013 01:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Houston - 26 June 2013 08:27 PM

VB Meister,

Are you in the US?

Hi mate. Nope not from the US. but have played Worldwide incl. US.

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Posted: 17 July 2013 05:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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Samabu07 - 22 March 2013 08:34 AM

Roulette system don’t actually work?

Hello friend,

I politely disagree, I have playing and winning in roulette since 3 months. There are several good Roulette playing strategies out there that really work. Roulette is one of the most popular games of chance.  I would suggest you to look this top video on roulette https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzerDcUggFc&feature=c4-overview&list=UUQMBDOOllNlbqD291Gsw1Gg .

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